SSD is Super Strong Dinosaurs, an old dota team which I guess now either doesn't exist or belongs to tier 10.
IMO You don't need unlocked i5 if you have no idea of how to OC it it's pretty much useless. In your budget I recommend going for i5 4590 + GTX 970, that's the best combo you can get for your budget. As for RAM, 8 gigs is totally enough for gaming and don't go for stupid RAM models such as Kingston HyperX or whatever they're called, if they're called "gaming rams" it doesn't mean anything, all RAM does same stuff. For SSD I'd recommend you go for Samsung 850 EVO just because it's more fiable and has more warranty than other SSD's. Also get a solid MOBO, ASRock H97 PRO4 should do it. PSU try to look for Antec/Seasonic electronics inside because they're the best in business. A 550W PSU should be enough for your rig, in load you won't go more than 300W with 970. Case is extremely subjective so just pick whatever you like the most.
I'll change the list with ugly links to PC-part-picker list for easier reading, brb
Here it is
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/mokujin01/saved/#view=NcBdnQ
@Kumbo,
thanks, I'll look into it!
for this much money can start saving up for a car, idk if comp is worth throwing so much money.
I don't think it's worth wasting money on CPU cooler. Intel stock cooler is good enough in my opinion.
Instead I would invest in a better power supply.
I suggest using a benchmark website to help you select your CPU/GPU.
I use https://www.passmark.com/
Aside from that, there isn't much to it. Make sure the parts you pick are compatible with each other. Get at least 8gb RAM (some people will tell you 4, but I wouldn't do that unless you were on a budget. Personally I have 16 for futureproof)
Up until recently I had a nVidia GTX560 (rated 3500pts) which was able to run almost everything easily at medium-high. (Lower graphic intensive games like dota on max) and I still use a i7 2600k CPU (rated 8500pts)
And these parts are pretty old. I recently upgraded my video card just to play TW3 at ultra, but what I had before worked fine. I'm telling you those numbers as a baseline so you know what is good/bad. Generally anything at those numbers is good enough for most games. Higher than that will get you to be able to run modern games at max. (GTX970 is 8700pts, and high end new CPU's run at around 12,000pts)
TL;DR:
1) Use passmark.com as a benchmark/baseline tool.
2) GPU..
...............lowend: 1-2500pts.
...............middle: 2501-6000pts
...............highend: 6001+ pts
3) CPU..
...............lowend:1-5000pts
...............middle:5001-9500pts
...............high:9501+ pts
4) RAM: Get 8-16GB.
5) MOBO: I'm not really sure on how to select/compare MOBO's. I usually just read/hear recommendations. Personally I use a ASUS P67 Sabretooth.
6) PowerSUP: Again, not sure on the math, but make sure you have enough power for your computer. Just ask a computer tech at the store you're buying from. Personally I have I think an ASUS 1000MW psup.
7) Cooling: I don't really think anyone needs water cooling unless you are building a monster for no reason. Just pick a tower that has ample fans. The tower that I have has 2 large front fans. 1 large top fan, and 1 large back fan. It also has a mount on the side (unused with no problems)
8) Storage: Depends how much of a datawhor℮ you are. Personally I just have a 250GB SSD for games 250GB SSD for OS, and a 1TB HDD for other shit. I only use a fraction of the HDD, I just bought the TB because it was the cheap thing at the time, and I upgraded from a ragtag team of a bunch of 100GB old HDDs. You could make due with less SSD space.
@Marlan, thanks for input.
I currently don't see myself needing high-end video cards in the near future (I only play Dota, and some 'light' racing games) I'm only concerned with getting the good stuff for my budget (best value = performance/price). Those price performance graphs for CPU/Graphics card are something!
Yeah, something along the lines of what I used to have (nVidia GTX 570) should be fine for you. Just don't buy used, unless you know the person selling. I wouldn't trust that. Just use the chart to find a similiar GPU that is on sale at your store.
An i5 should be fine for you as well.
i5 without k + 970 should do the trick. thats the best. you dont need an after market cooler. intel coolers are good.
i would also say some sirtec/corsair psu. not sure of that antec. also not sure of that
get cheaper ram with life time warranty. they all do the same shiet.
not sure about ssd. i didnt watch those for a long time. those got differences in chipsets also
msi motherboards use korean/chinese components, go for gigabyte/asus or asrock if you want to be cheap
get a processor you can overclock or your (next) gpu will be bottlenecked
seagate is not what you want to store your files in
only good thing in your build a is the heatsink, cpu, gpu and ram
idk why everyone keeps saying to buy a 970.
you don't need a top-of-the-line GPU for dota.
my old 570 from like 4 years ago can EASILY run dota on maximum setting still.
i only bought a 970 because im rich as fuck and wanted it for the witcher. if i didnt feel like impulse buying, my old 570 still ran the witcher fine, albeit on medium settings, which STILL LOOKS GOOD. (still 100% better than console garbage)
"msi motherboards use korean/chinese components, go for gigabyte/asus or asrock if you want to be cheap
get a processor you can overclock or your (next) gpu will be bottlenecked
seagate is not what you want to store your files in
only good thing in your build a is the heatsink, cpu, gpu and ram"
Open my eyes and tell me which components are used on Asus and Gigabyte on listed parts of the motheboard:
1. Chokes
2. Mosfets
3. Capasitors
4. Power Phase overall
5. PCB
Thank you very much
Having worked 20 years with PCs building and creating them working alot with paralellprogramming for multiple GPUs My informed opinion would be.
z97 is great.
i5 is enough and great.
get the 970 for sure.
any ram will do wont matter at all.
Id rather get 250 GB SSD and use your old HD if you really need more space.
any PSU will do and wont matter.
To be clear never buy more expensive CPU it will in 99% of all cases never do more than a Better GPU can do.
u asked for my build i bought this shit about 3 years ago for approx 500€. still runs like a genius, with an addition of a better cpu cooler fan. i got steady 60 frames in dota2, sometimes it spikes, but i think that is not the hardwares fault. its ok for me. i probably could get more if i wiped and reinstalled windows.
cpu: intel i5 2400@ 3,1ghz
ssd: 128gb samsung 830 (only windows, browser and some special games like battlefield/witcher3 on it)
hdd: 1 tb (old shit some i dont remember not important anyways)
graphics: amd radeon HD 6900 series (today i would get prob nvidia again; u dont need good graphic card for dota2)
ram: 4gb ddr (i'd suggest 4-8 gb imo, any brand will do)
nice bro i got the i5 2500k 4.4ghz and 6950 gb which runs like a charm today
can u tell me what settings and fps you got in witcher? i got 35-45 on low settings
^ well considering that im below the minimal system requirements, im happy to play it on medium settings w approx 30 fps. its still beautiful. i wish i could have the nvidia hairworks on :D
I considered most of the advice and looked at some reviews, here's the final seleciton - http://pcpartpicker.com/user/mokujin01/saved/#view=hTj7YJ
any thoughs?
CPU
Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor
Video Card
MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card
CPU Cooler
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard
ASRock Z97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory
G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
SSD
Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
HDD
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal
Power Supply
Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
Case
Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case
i still disagree with 970 if you plan on only playing Dota and other non-intensive graphic games.
a cheaper card will do perfectly with with those games.
but if you want to spend an extra $200 thats up to you.
otherwise it looks good.
though i'd spend the extra 50 bucks and get a better tower. you might have cooling problems with that tower. also for the extra 50$ it will look way cooler too. whether or not coolfactor is important to you, the better cooling is worth the $50 alone.
I'd get 4670k instead may cost abotu 30 dolalr more but it will be unlucked so you can OC. Sometrimes those 45XX are locked.
and change that 850 to 840 no difference and you save money.
I'd also get 750 + PSU so that you later on can go Dual 970 if you want to. (this is only to future safe your pc if you wanna upgrade in future)
replace wd blue with black or get wd green and disable head parking, dont buy 970 lol its overpriced and limited down to 3.5 gb, idk why these fucking apes suggest it, they probably bought it and want to scam you because they didn't wait for benchmarks when it came out
fucking cretin this "sir" is
yeah like I said earlier and what havoc said, make sure your Psup is sufficient.
I'd just ask a computer tech to make sure you have enough wattage.
and a shitty quality Psup can damage your whole system
PSU is literally the most important component in your computer. Spend your money here on a good one.
There are only name brand CPUs and GPUs.
HS/HSF doesn't really matter, as the stock one included is fine unless you're OC/going for silence.
Mobo is usually a decent quality anywhere you get them; not many are actually garbage.
And don't forget a decent case; a good $100+ case will last you ten years or more, and lots of builds.
And I really don't understand all this $350 GPU nonsense; you're spending around $1000 on a computer, with 1/3 of the cost on one component?! That's absurd. You can get 90% of the performance for 1/2 the cost.
This is my personal build BTW, nothing fancy: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jwGGHx
That's cause you might be stupid, the GPU is a graphical processing unit which (shocker) is what primarily drives games. A GPU is accepted to be at least 1/3 of your total cost as anything less and you will end up with a GPU bottleneck.
^That's all that a computer is. One part will ALWAYS be the bottleneck. There is no getting around it. On a price/performance ratio, getting one of those overpriced-tier GPUs is almost always a bad idea. Unless you're going for a "more dollars than sense" build.
hijacking the thread
im gonna get US$1000 from the government to buy a notebook I want something for college but I wanna play stuff too, nothing stellar just dota / hearthstone simple stuff
since im getting $1000 for free I dont mind spending a bit more, but I dont want anything over $1100.
I was interested in this one: http://avell.com/premier-g1310-fire
specs: 'good' configuration with the first i7 and 16gb, total $1,058.45
thoughts? (keep in mind i'll buy it in the US)
@Sano, imo 13' screen is far too small to play games on. Might as well get 15 or 17 if u arent gonna carry it around.
If you want a fully equipped computer get a good GPU, personally I'm running a 970 after using a 570 for like 4 years or something.
But OP only wants a Dota machine + few other games.
in this case you DO NOT need a high end card like 970. Dota can run on a toaster
@Sano: Yeah find a nice sized screen. Beyond that, almost any laptop at 1000$ will run Dota. So just find what you think looks nice.
@MARLAN Dota can run on a toaster, oh rly? I have i5 4460 + AMD Radeon R9 270X and I can barely get 65-75 average fps with everything off, render 100%, shadows high and textures high. Go rethink that sir.
^ It's because ATI cards are garbage! I used to love ATI cards, and AMD till they merged and basically shafted each other.
All you have to do is buy smart. Do research, decide which games you will play and look around that market. Here are some tips.
1. Don't bother overclocking, most don't do it properly and you end up with an unstable system. Extra GHZ ≠ performance.
2. Buy cards 2/3 up the market, don't by the best, the mid, or the worst performing. Find a card that sits 2/3 up the market will ensure very close to top end performance (usually 5% less) and will not cost much more than a mid ranged card which performs sub par.
3. 4GB of ram was great 3 years ago. 8GB kits are marginally more expensive and will help your computer not choke under load (e.g Dota2, Music, Streaming, Background Services)
4. Motherboard and PSU are the backbone of your system...the core if you will. DON'T FUCKING BUY CHEAP. * for example, I upgrade a single component say once every 6-8 months, so graphics card, then 8 months later newer CPU, maybe more ram etc. but my MOBO stays the same cause it's a high-end one that will last the test of time.....do research, buy the right socket.
5. Like mentioned above I never "Buy" a PC, I simple build on what I have. Plan for the future, what you would like to have and a lot of this boils down to the MOBO/PSU. You never have to change those. Ask yourself....
- Can I add more RAM to this without buying a whole new kit (2 Slots vs 4 Slots/ 4x2GB or 2x4GB)
- Can I add more storage internally, or have I limited myself cause I only have 2/4 sata connectors on the MOBO
- Can I add more hardward in general or did I buy a shitty 500w PSU (honestly the wattage doesn't count as much as power management which gets better with price)
My personal recommendations.
MOBO - Intel, Gigabyte, ASUS in that order. ASUS are good but have a lot of features which can add cost, and create problems.
RAM - Doesn't matter, heatsinked RAM is better, Kingston or Mushkin have tight timings so i stick with those.
CPU - i5 4th gen, anything above is too costly, anything below is underperforming for cost and can bottleneck any future plans.
GPU - People will be salty, and fan boys are loyal to branding...but I would strongly advise against a ATI GPU though they do have some attractive tech coming out soon but not at the moment. With nvidia I would not suggest anything below or above a *60 or *70 so you can get a 960,970 or you can possible pick up a cheap 770 or 780 online somewhere, shopping around can't hurt.
PSU - BUY A SILVERSTONE PSU.
SSD - Samsung EVO, or PRO... or if you're buying old school or for storage then buy seagate or WD
- Stock cooling is adequate don't go ham on it.
- Buy a case with space to grow and still have good air circulation
This is my opinions based of research I consistently do for my ever changing build. At the end of the day you're the one that will be stuck with this PC, buy something you're happy with.
Thanks all for detailed responses.
Silverstone PSU's aren't very common and appear to be more expensive onv avg around here since there aren't many distributors, is there a particular reason why you only listed them Havoc?
Cause they're the best out there....also have you considered waiting. There is a load of new stuff around the corner which....
1. Will be amazing and cheap or...
2. Will drop the cost of previous tech making it easier to buy or buy from people upgrading instantly who want quick money.
http://ark.intel.com/products/family/84980/5th-Generation-Intel-Core-i5-Processors#@Desktop
65-75 fps isn't bad.......................................
and i get 130fps on my rig, not like i'd need it.
even if by some superpower you CAN tell the difference between 30 and >31 fps, it's so miniscule it doesn't even matter.
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Alright, I'll be making my first PC in about 1-2 weeks time, and the budget is approximately ~1k USD without the monitor.
Any alternatives for the listed parts, as well as suggestions are welcome because I am shit at this.
Here we go:
Draft 2: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/mokujin01/saved/#view=Xkqypg (cheaper CPU, more exp Graphics card)
Draft 3: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/mokujin01/saved/#view=hTj7YJ
Total cost for the listed parts is between 1,100 USD if I convert local prices to USD.