Hmm, what was your main again...let me go through it and think this through. Do you have friend in that bracket you can dual queue with during an adjustment period?
Last game I decided to try my hand on US East (which I said I would be avoiding like the plague) but it turned out that's all I needed - lower average mmr.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SyvKLdH.jpg[/IMG]
W/e I'm done, grinded so many games, played horribly except in the last one.
I knew I shouldn't have played after the 2nd loss, I already had a gut feeling it wouldn't go well (sigh...)
Yea I'm not really a support player, part of the thing about supporting is that just like any other role, you can't rely on allies on a solo q pub to win their lanes, you have to win it for them. With supports it's actually much harder because ur time frame is limited and once lane phase is over you have to prepare to win teamfights (which all depends on how ur early game went). I'm not going to pull a z3rrax because
1) i didn't buy/borrow an account, i calibrated it myself
2) i'm not going to play some passive role and hope to get carried, that has never been my intention (the lich game, my players all picked roles 1-4 within the first 20 seconds i think)
There's also something else I've learned, which might increase my tolerance in the future. In many games the distribution was 5000-5600, yet people on my team (including myself) all made a shit ton of mistakes. I thought "wow they're noobs" or whatever (that's like my first thought whenever someone messes up), but I reminded myself that we are playing against 5000-5600 players AS WELL which literally means the top 0.1%+ of pub players. Obviously if you pit the great pubstompers against other great pubstompers, one small mistake can lead to a lopsided game.
I swear if I had someone like Matrice in my game and I didn't recognize him, and I see him make a mistake, I would think he's a noob. But anyways that's just the biggest problem, there are some others. I'll talk about my psychology in some of those games:
The thing about playing at 5000+ is that one mistake early game can literally cost u the game. In one bloodseeker game I got arrowed once and died, after that, I TP'ed back and tried to kill Potm, died again cuz I got ganked by Invoker and didn't see him coming. 1 horrible decision = downhill from there.
But see, here's the problem: what went on during my mind AT that very moment was: "omg my bane is so trash, why didn't he pull, now I'm underlevelled." It might as well be true, but that doesn't excuse dying twice within the span of 1 minute. So literally my mindset is still the same, the only difference is that thinking that way while playing at 5000+ will certainly guarantee a loss. Whereas at 4700, even if I get upset/start flaming, I can still win the game sometimes.
I'm sitting at 5157 and I have no idea how much longer I can stay here, I did say I'll try to play up to 80 games to get on the leaderboard. If I can't do that then, I'll admit I don't belong here.
My only hope is that regardless of the outcome I can learn some things along the way and stop flaming/throwing games just because of a few errors my teammates made early game. If I cannot even do that, then I might as well stop playing ranked cuz my MMR will stay in the upper 4k range since I lack the necessary disposition to improve.
I have 2 mains, one's 4700~/4600~, other one's 4300~/5000~. The 4300 one was calibrated at 4700, it went through some loss streaks months ago and I haven't rectified it yet.
if you play carries in europe west, farm, hunt players with kill streak advantage so you get their gold + exp, dont die to unnecessary deaths, try to team fight while farming (idk how to explain this, you'll get the touch of it soon)
Some guy, after 4 months calibrated his account 200 mmr higher than his main. Ofcourse, its better to play 80 games on smurf rather than trying little bit harder on main. Logic man. So now, he is 5.1k. Even though he actually still is 4.6k on main( or whatever, who fucking cares), now every other 4k player is monkey from mental institiution. I mean, this thread is so cancerous, I dont see how you suddenly playing on 200 mmr higher account should be any important. I have smurf, I calibrated it 500mmr than main. Yet, you dont see me blogging on dotabuff. I mean, what do you want? Congratz, you are now 5k. Its like, its not that 4.8k and 5.1k its fucking sky and earth that difference is so high. Its small, bearly unotceable. You are so hyped with your 5k that whole this thread is fishy and makes me wonder what is your actual main mmr with ss of it.
Interesting to see that even someone like you who seems to be on the flaming side can realize that it's hurting you and reconsider your mindset. Makes me wonder how stupid people have to be to have a bad mindset and not bother changing it.
After I lost 7 games in a row I took a few weeks break to get a fresh start. It may work for you?
I don't get the reasoning, you can't queue with people that low in a party why throw them together in a pub ranked. That is quite a huge stretch for people who are currently 4681.
Man ı wanna ask something.I have 4.2k mmr and ı started by 3500.You guys(5k or more) what mmr did you start?It look imposible to get 5k for me.If aa gets midas,void gets vlad,slardar no blink dont know how to get win.I dont think so even get to 4.5kmmr.I guess it is just impossible get 4.5k mmr because ı started 3.5kmmr.1000 up?No,ı guess.
Piss poor explanation why 5k is heaven... read this whole wall of text from this guy with over inflated ego.
Crap games no matter what bracket happens due to smurfs or a long time player not playing a character much in their bracket would be considered new. I find it hilarious that this # means so much to everyone as it really accomplishes nothing. Aren't games supposed to be fun?
sk 5600mmr. stacked with n0tail. objectivley he played like 3k. he cannt stun, he literraly dont know how his ult is chanelled. what to say.... hell is unavoidable being elo or not
honestly i have no idea how to carry these 4500 retards unless u go mid, it's like u have win every single lane for them or else they'll just be useless/suck shit all game while still all-chatting. no map awareness, bad micro, no positioning skills, etc.
wave's advice has so far proven very useful, i am learning so much more at 5k than at 4500-5000. why? because if u make a mistake you will actually be punished for it, and people also don't run their mouths all game and act like they're good so you can focus more on ur own gameplay.
swag every player has bad games, i can objectively say that after ~1000 ranked games playing in the mid/upper 4k bracket most of them are pretty bad, i won't get into the sub 4500 players who are probably just "utter shit," to quote McStappy.
at some point i'm just gonna learn how to play templar assassin, storm spirit, and puck, so i can fucking carry my team 1v5 and rank up those accounts to 5k; they seem to be the favorite hero choices of mmr boosters who are boosting 4k accounts. tinker's also broken as fuck but hearing marches all game makes me lose my sanity LOL
i think playing lots of unranked games on those 3 heroes would help a lot
man this feels so awful, on one hand i never want to go back to the 4k accounts, on the other some voice is like "lol well ur not ACTUALLY 5k till u grind up there."
tl;dr not as good as you think you are if you can't stomp people less skilled than you
zenoth/wave plz help lol, i'm drowning
i need to farm a shit ton more, my cs/min dropped greatly compared to when i played at 4700 in almost every single game
That's because you're now farming under more pressure than you're used to....my advice is stop playing carries till you adjust to the bracket.
i'm going to play till i win a game, i've lost 7 in a row so far
kind of annoying cuz 3 of those were perfectly winnable without much effort
ouch.. the last-resort-pick-support and hope to be carried failed huh
Hmm, what was your main again...let me go through it and think this through. Do you have friend in that bracket you can dual queue with during an adjustment period?
Wave was 100% right, EU confirmed much harder
Last game I decided to try my hand on US East (which I said I would be avoiding like the plague) but it turned out that's all I needed - lower average mmr.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SyvKLdH.jpg[/IMG]
W/e I'm done, grinded so many games, played horribly except in the last one.
I knew I shouldn't have played after the 2nd loss, I already had a gut feeling it wouldn't go well (sigh...)
ofc europe is harder :D
Yea I'm not really a support player, part of the thing about supporting is that just like any other role, you can't rely on allies on a solo q pub to win their lanes, you have to win it for them. With supports it's actually much harder because ur time frame is limited and once lane phase is over you have to prepare to win teamfights (which all depends on how ur early game went). I'm not going to pull a z3rrax because
1) i didn't buy/borrow an account, i calibrated it myself
2) i'm not going to play some passive role and hope to get carried, that has never been my intention (the lich game, my players all picked roles 1-4 within the first 20 seconds i think)
There's also something else I've learned, which might increase my tolerance in the future. In many games the distribution was 5000-5600, yet people on my team (including myself) all made a shit ton of mistakes. I thought "wow they're noobs" or whatever (that's like my first thought whenever someone messes up), but I reminded myself that we are playing against 5000-5600 players AS WELL which literally means the top 0.1%+ of pub players. Obviously if you pit the great pubstompers against other great pubstompers, one small mistake can lead to a lopsided game.
I swear if I had someone like Matrice in my game and I didn't recognize him, and I see him make a mistake, I would think he's a noob. But anyways that's just the biggest problem, there are some others. I'll talk about my psychology in some of those games:
The thing about playing at 5000+ is that one mistake early game can literally cost u the game. In one bloodseeker game I got arrowed once and died, after that, I TP'ed back and tried to kill Potm, died again cuz I got ganked by Invoker and didn't see him coming. 1 horrible decision = downhill from there.
But see, here's the problem: what went on during my mind AT that very moment was: "omg my bane is so trash, why didn't he pull, now I'm underlevelled." It might as well be true, but that doesn't excuse dying twice within the span of 1 minute. So literally my mindset is still the same, the only difference is that thinking that way while playing at 5000+ will certainly guarantee a loss. Whereas at 4700, even if I get upset/start flaming, I can still win the game sometimes.
I'm sitting at 5157 and I have no idea how much longer I can stay here, I did say I'll try to play up to 80 games to get on the leaderboard. If I can't do that then, I'll admit I don't belong here.
My only hope is that regardless of the outcome I can learn some things along the way and stop flaming/throwing games just because of a few errors my teammates made early game. If I cannot even do that, then I might as well stop playing ranked cuz my MMR will stay in the upper 4k range since I lack the necessary disposition to improve.
I have 2 mains, one's 4700~/4600~, other one's 4300~/5000~. The 4300 one was calibrated at 4700, it went through some loss streaks months ago and I haven't rectified it yet.
if you play carries in europe west, farm, hunt players with kill streak advantage so you get their gold + exp, dont die to unnecessary deaths, try to team fight while farming (idk how to explain this, you'll get the touch of it soon)
I know what you mean, it's an acquired skill that relies a lot on intuition/repetition. The one game I did that was on US East actually lol.
I think I'm eating my own words now, I was planning on playing on EU West the entire time but it's pretty brutal.
it'll be f ine just watch replays and see where you die and stuff
improve from there
who is z3rrax?
yep, killing big streak heroes turns around the game
some 3.5k player who played on a 4.7k account, wanted to see if he could "hang" with a higher MMR
http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1409043
ended up massing treant, not very subtle
But it did work out despite performing quite badly?
at this point i'm really hoping for some forced 50%, lol
To sum up this thread.
Some guy, after 4 months calibrated his account 200 mmr higher than his main. Ofcourse, its better to play 80 games on smurf rather than trying little bit harder on main. Logic man. So now, he is 5.1k. Even though he actually still is 4.6k on main( or whatever, who fucking cares), now every other 4k player is monkey from mental institiution. I mean, this thread is so cancerous, I dont see how you suddenly playing on 200 mmr higher account should be any important. I have smurf, I calibrated it 500mmr than main. Yet, you dont see me blogging on dotabuff. I mean, what do you want? Congratz, you are now 5k. Its like, its not that 4.8k and 5.1k its fucking sky and earth that difference is so high. Its small, bearly unotceable. You are so hyped with your 5k that whole this thread is fishy and makes me wonder what is your actual main mmr with ss of it.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SbU3kzb.jpg[/IMG]
Invoker: ty volvo
Invoker: 4300 shit
Invoker: playing with me
Invoker: ty valve
lmao
4300 poor invoker xD
weird match, never seen that happen in euw
its either two 4.8k-4.9k players in both teams or everyone is 5k+
most balanced is everyone stays at 5.5k+
more like 600
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don't see why you care though
but i do agree i should stop blogging about it and just focus on my own gameplay or w/e, got a bit rattled by my 7 loss streak
thx for involving me into your loss streak :)
so I guess you weren't good enough to stay at 5k+?
should've been in my PA games szotyi3, you would've raped
Interesting to see that even someone like you who seems to be on the flaming side can realize that it's hurting you and reconsider your mindset. Makes me wonder how stupid people have to be to have a bad mindset and not bother changing it.
After I lost 7 games in a row I took a few weeks break to get a fresh start. It may work for you?
nice 2 games in a row where i end up supporting, not doing that shit again
fucking awful
alright boys
i'm 3-0 with PA so far
every other hero negative, either fed like crazy or had no impact
that's like the only hero that i can use if i want a shot at staying in this rating range, and even then it's not certain (yet)
ray, giff me points.
He is right, 4000-4500 is the true trench in Dota2. This bracket is fucking annoying.
i'm 4-0 PA in the 5k bracket, need to work on last hitting mostly, my cs was pretty low
there was a 7000 mmr, i checked his aliases and it's cecil (#2 on us leaderboard)
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jLVvYES.jpg[/IMG]
now that i think about it, i haven't instalocked pa for like 50 games in a row, i wonder if that would help me get to 5000 on my other account.
it's entirely possible i'm just complete shit at most heroes and picking sub optimally (since people's skill levels do vary across heroes)
I don't get the reasoning, you can't queue with people that low in a party why throw them together in a pub ranked. That is quite a huge stretch for people who are currently 4681.
Holy wow that is like 2350 difference, like a 4000 queuing with a 1650 mmr person :/ yikes.
except when you play in north america where even 5k's get paired with 4k trash cause theres not enough 5k's online
Why Valve allows multiple accounts? In most online games you will be banned for that.
Thanks for explanation!
The Valve devs have multiple accounts themselves.
Man ı wanna ask something.I have 4.2k mmr and ı started by 3500.You guys(5k or more) what mmr did you start?It look imposible to get 5k for me.If aa gets midas,void gets vlad,slardar no blink dont know how to get win.I dont think so even get to 4.5kmmr.I guess it is just impossible get 4.5k mmr because ı started 3.5kmmr.1000 up?No,ı guess.
my account got calibrated at 4200. thats when i started playing dota tho. but it was terribly off the mark.
4.9k on main (didnt take calibration seriously), 5721 now after 80-90 solo ranked matches played
have calibrated accs at 6k-6.5k with ease
TLDR
5k still see supports not buying a ward.
Russians any hero is a farm hero.
Bunch of smurfs, cancer and toxic spammers, low/no lifers.
In 1% of the game you see a player that can predict how lanes are going and where ganks are.
I havent played a good game till i played a normal matchmaking.
EDIT: No one can play a good support.
trash gamez are everywhere, 5k+ included, todays examples
http://dotabuff.com/matches/756467680 qop mid eg fear feeding, giving his life for suport aa several times, sucker, supposedly 6.3k
http://dotabuff.com/matches/756631308 bane playing vs his team, literaly, suposedly 5.3k
Piss poor explanation why 5k is heaven... read this whole wall of text from this guy with over inflated ego.
Crap games no matter what bracket happens due to smurfs or a long time player not playing a character much in their bracket would be considered new. I find it hilarious that this # means so much to everyone as it really accomplishes nothing. Aren't games supposed to be fun?
http://dotabuff.com/matches/756772151
another match from today
sk 5600mmr. stacked with n0tail. objectivley he played like 3k. he cannt stun, he literraly dont know how his ult is chanelled. what to say.... hell is unavoidable being elo or not
played 4 games today
lost 3 at 4.7k
won 1 at 5.2k
ty volvo for placing shitters on my team at 4.7k
honestly i have no idea how to carry these 4500 retards unless u go mid, it's like u have win every single lane for them or else they'll just be useless/suck shit all game while still all-chatting. no map awareness, bad micro, no positioning skills, etc.
wave's advice has so far proven very useful, i am learning so much more at 5k than at 4500-5000. why? because if u make a mistake you will actually be punished for it, and people also don't run their mouths all game and act like they're good so you can focus more on ur own gameplay.
trash 4k players are TRASH
swag every player has bad games, i can objectively say that after ~1000 ranked games playing in the mid/upper 4k bracket most of them are pretty bad, i won't get into the sub 4500 players who are probably just "utter shit," to quote McStappy.
at some point i'm just gonna learn how to play templar assassin, storm spirit, and puck, so i can fucking carry my team 1v5 and rank up those accounts to 5k; they seem to be the favorite hero choices of mmr boosters who are boosting 4k accounts. tinker's also broken as fuck but hearing marches all game makes me lose my sanity LOL
i think playing lots of unranked games on those 3 heroes would help a lot
@Swag EZ GAMES!
this is how i see you image
quite sure it isnt supposed to look like that, even when i open it in a new tab
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KIajG9y.png[/IMG]
man this feels so awful, on one hand i never want to go back to the 4k accounts, on the other some voice is like "lol well ur not ACTUALLY 5k till u grind up there."
y'all are fuckin' assholes
sigh you never do learn, you told me you were over the raging but YOU LIED
http://dotabuff.com/topics/2014-07-06-sing-knows-whats-up
this is why na pubs suck, and it has nothing to do with the rating