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Eddie

    Lol Parma pulls up my games from 5 months ago and says my record is funny. I didn’t reach legend 6 through party you dumb neckbeard, My party mmr is 2.4k, the same as your solo ;) But shhhh this Parma dude knows all about ancient guys

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    Eddie

      If you had even half a brain you’d see my solo games are HS but even that’s too much to expect from a PMSing kid like you. Go see a therapist before it’s too late dude, cuz this forum has seen enough of your useless rants. You’re the only man child here, it’s clear

      NIKAD MAJNOVALA!

        Funnily enough she'll get supported by some random kids who's never seen a girl in their life. Xd

        kowareta

          volvo wants to give people high medals so they still play the game?

          no, they doing this to stop retards from making new accounts for high medals, now every retard is smiley face unless u are be a lonely retard

          NIKAD MAJNOVALA!

            It's stupid regardless of the reason. If you make a competitive environment make it be legit and fair.

            Either merge party and solo just like in CS.GO or make the solo MMR badge show up.

            kowareta

              real dota starts from divine below that who cares what is going on!

              NIKAD MAJNOVALA!

                Apparently that's the case, because below that they just want to make sure people feel good, lol.

                '96 Neve Campbell

                  Lol Parma pulls up my games from 5 months ago and says my record is funny. I didn’t reach legend 6 through party you dumb neckbeard, My party mmr is 2.4k, the same as your solo ;) But shhhh this Parma dude knows all about ancient guys
                  Helllllloooooo??? Numbnuts???? I filtered your games by solo ranked and all i saw was a sea of red... Also idk what the fuck it is with your weird misgendering but its sexist as hell...
                  Ugg waman cant play video game ugg waman must be in kitchen not on forum.
                  Keep abandoning games you toxic shite, and change your profile before you give Iron Maiden fans everywhere a bad reputation.

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                  NIKAD MAJNOVALA!

                    Parma, I dont want to burst your buble, but you abandoned more games than him.. :/ D: Xd

                    Customizerin

                      Btw parma may i ask, how come you give some good tips but you hardly raised your mmr in solo?

                      TBH it's really ironic, I need some answers for research purposes thanks

                      '96 Neve Campbell

                        I have bad hand to eye coordination. I honestly have a good understand of this game, I have watched a lot of pro games and youtube videos and in general I know the mechanics very well but in actual games I am let down by bad reaction times and impulsive decision making.

                        Also the reason why I am low solo is because I initially calibrated my solo mmr when I was new to dota and then I never touched it again until the medal system was introduced. Then I only play maybe 1 or 2 solo matches a day maximum because I dont like pressure and I get tilted easily >.>

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                        NIKAD MAJNOVALA!

                          I honestly have a good understand of this game

                          you dont

                          I have watched a lot of pro games and youtube videos and in general

                          you didnt

                          I know the mechanics very well

                          for sure, i'll trust you on your word, because thats how things work

                          am let down by bad reaction times and impulsive decision making

                          as Cookie said multiples times, Dota 2 is not fast paced game in 2k, 3k, 4k and even 5k mmr. He's a slow person in general and is @ 6.5k mmr top @1000 immortal player

                          mute all

                            giving tips is great but insulting/judging players who has better mmr/rank is not a thing you should do..saying that ancients are shit bracket and shit people probably struck a nerve and started this shit..maybe next time we should be more careful with our words..

                            NIKAD MAJNOVALA!

                              It's enough to read what she's writing. Someone with 2k mmr who claims that has:

                              Good understanding of this game, good knowing of mechanics, etc, etc

                              It's really not a big deal if someone calls you a 4k trash, it's a meme anyways, it's more that she actually believes she's good at this game.

                              This is what struck a nerve for me, honestly. It bothers me how much someone can be delusional and stupid at the same time.

                              I'm also kinda of afraid of that too. Like, imagine if you had to work in real life with that kind of people?

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                              '96 Neve Campbell

                                Uh no. You just like to put me down cause you have a grudge against me. Its not my problem that you have the mind of a child. There is a strong difference between being good at dota and understanding dota. Ive shown before that I understand dota such as that time I wrote a literal essay to the guy who posted the video of him playing void. If you are going to be ignorant and act like I dont know anything or that i dont climb solo mmr then whatever I have no desire to prove it to the likes of you anyway.

                                Kathir-

                                  impulsive decision making is more than enough to hold someone back from climbing mmr, the single most important quality in solo queue competitive games (any competitive games) is ability to stay calm and make the right decision when it's important - impulsive decision making throws that out the window; its the same for a lot of players, or so i think - at least i personally sometimes suffer from that as well, especially if im not playing sober, and majority of 3k players do so as well, evidently.
                                  so she admits she has serious gameplay problems and you call her delusional, idk what she needs to say for you to drop the discrimination as if it's the only person to blame and others aren't like this?

                                  cookie is a very calm player, i have never see him do something as stupid as go in 1v4 on enemy shrine as slark and die uselessly (not saying he hasnt done it, but at least i havent seen it). And besides cookie is cold-blooded af, makes sense that he doesnt even hover over his TP when his noob team dies as antimage.

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                                  NIKAD MAJNOVALA!

                                    Uh no. You just like to put me down cause you have a grudge against me

                                    Really not the case. I just enjoy arguing with you, that's it. Kinda of because it's interesting how delusional you are, once again.

                                    There is a strong difference between being good at dota and understanding dota.

                                    There isn't. Most of the people who are good at Dota are good because of their understanding of how the game works.

                                    Coinsidering how slow-paced anything in low mmr bracket is, if you really had good understanding of the game you would be able to be at least 3.5k by now.

                                    ve shown before that I understand dota such as that time I wrote a literal essay to the guy who posted the video of him playing void.

                                    And where is the evidence that any of things you wrote are actually relevant, correct, helpful and in general approved by higher mmr players? Do you srsly coinsider that writing an essey would be enough to prove a point, even tho no one approved it?

                                    If you are going to be ignorant and act like I dont know anything or that i dont climb solo mmr then whatever I have no desire to prove it to the likes of you anyway.

                                    You know something. For example, it's good enough for 2.1k mmr. Also, I'm not ignorant here, you are. I'm literally just debunking shit you say so people can understand how wrong you are.

                                    Also, you climbed nothing. How can you even be proud of getting out of 1k and sub 1k mmr range? This is literally begginer-tier dota 2, in which people like you get stuck because they are delusional.

                                    You got a bit lucky and managed to pull out of 1k mmr, but I'm sure that you will not even be able to maintain 2k mmr in a long run, because you are not far from it.

                                    Jacked

                                      you know i understand very well where cookie's concept came from. however he is really not correct on this. dota boils down to speed of correct decision making. anything that messes with how you make decisions affects how you play the game. tunnelling, attention span, lack of focus, impulsiveness, etc.. it's not just about fast reactions yes. but overall the better you are, you just make the correct decisions automatically. it's about practicing the moves. not physically, but mentally. it's all the same. you're not throwing a ball, but you still need to understand what's happening in chaotic taem fights, and react appropriately. same goes for laning. sure some macro level decisions you can strategize and plan ahead. but other than that, dota has hell a lot of micro decisions as well.

                                      you know the archon player who runs into 5 heroes? do u really believe some players are that stupid? u show it to the archon player in hind sight he will recognize immediately it was foolish. why does it happen though? it's reaction. your brain sees somethings, makes a decisions, and you commit to it automatically.

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                                      Kathir-

                                        she did climb her party rank from legend to ancient this season, not saying she is actually good or anything - i dont know, as we dont play together; but that has to count for something?

                                        kowareta

                                          yolo, the boy, this is not some real discussion about dota, this is 2 guy who just want to argue with each other no matter what
                                          dont waste ur time just bring some popcorn and enjoy smiley face!

                                          NIKAD MAJNOVALA!

                                            impulsive decision making is more than enough to hold someone back from climbing mmr

                                            it's definitely not helping her, but I'm also impulsive decison maker and for sure it doesn't stop me from raping 1ks, 2ks and even 3ks here and there.

                                            It can prolong your learning exp., but once you learn something, sometimes it can even be helpful.

                                            There's also one more thing, impulsive decision making can be merged with delusional thinking aswell. I find myself many times being delusional (especially in the past) because I would impulsively think.

                                            ability to stay calm and make the right decision when it's important

                                            Indeed it's important to stay calm, but what's more important is to actually be able to grasp your flaws and try to work around them.

                                            It's easy to say: "i have an issue, therefore I'm not capable of archiving or living a normal life"

                                            I'm 90% sure I'm an ADHD person, on a top of that I'm a big introvert, I also had a rough childhood, I live in a poor country, I'm not fucking rich, sometimes I can barely make ends meat... SO WHAT?

                                            I don't coinsider myself a fucking BASKET CASE because of it. No matter how many issues you have in your life, you will ALWAYS find the way to overcome it if you are actually aware of yourself.

                                            so she admits she has serious gameplay problems and you call her delusional, idk what she needs to say for you to drop the discrimination as if it's the only person to blame and others aren't like this?

                                            She's compulsive liar, she'll admit what she has to so the people can pity her in a way. This is how she learned to fight against people who attack her.

                                            There's a difference between many people and her.

                                            cookie is a very calm player, i have never see him do something as stupid as go in 1v4 on enemy shrine as slark and die uselessly (not saying he hasnt done it, but at least i havent seen it).

                                            Damn, he's not. I dare to say we played many games and I know him decently enough to say he's really not that calm. He's just a very smart guy who likes to overanalyze things.

                                            Jacked

                                              he thinks things through and ingrains them and practices them as patterns. that's the same you would do in physical sports with physical drills. it's the same thing essentially.

                                              anyway, vertox and parma arguing sounds a lot like lovers' squabble. you guys should just make up and party again

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                                              '96 Neve Campbell

                                                And where is the evidence that any of things you wrote are actually relevant, correct, helpful and in general approved by higher mmr players? Do you srsly coinsider that writing an essey would be enough to prove a point, even tho no one approved it?

                                                Must be why everyone commented about how accurate my essay was.

                                                Coinsidering how slow-paced anything in low mmr bracket is, if you really had good understanding of the game you would be able to be at least 3.5k by now.

                                                A misconception. The 2k bracket is not slow paced at all. Whilst the players arent good by any stretch of the imagination they understand the fundamentals and can catch you off guard. The gameplay is slower with a long laning phase and a lengthy phase of stagnation in the mid-game but teams rotate and people generally play well enough to illicit fast response times.

                                                You know something. For example, it's good enough for 2.1k mmr. Also, I'm not ignorant here, you are. I'm literally just debunking shit you say so people can understand how wrong you are.

                                                I dont think you have ever debunked anything I have said ever...

                                                Also, you climbed nothing.

                                                You got a bit lucky and managed to pull out of 1k mmr, but I'm sure that you will not even be able to maintain 2k mmr in a long run, because you are not far from it.

                                                Again, blind ignorance. Climbing 1600 mmr in a matter of months isnt nothing, its probably more than you have managed in years. Stop putting down other people for their achievements and focus on your own stagnantation instead.
                                                How can you even be proud of getting out of 1k and sub 1k mmr range?

                                                Because 1k is the zoo. Climbing out of it makes me very proud and it proves to me that I am not 1k like you and the other dunning-krugers on this forum would have me believe. And yes, as much as you like to use that stupid phrase, it is as applicable to you as it is to me. You are a very average dota player who needed coaching to even approach the higher end of the ancient bracket, yet you have this weird delusion that you have the right to tell other people who are rising through the ranks that their achievements arent important or that they arent good enough to climb anymore. Your attitude is pretty repulsive tbh.

                                                You even convince yourself that the fact that I climbed from 800 to 3800 party is irrelevent and that I was somehow carried when the vast majority of my climbing party games were 2-3 stacks where I played the core.
                                                https://www.dotabuff.com/players/115526548/matches?enhance=overview&lobby_type=ranked_matchmaking&page=7&party_size=dual_plus
                                                https://www.dotabuff.com/players/115526548/matches?enhance=overview&lobby_type=ranked_matchmaking&page=6&party_size=dual_plus

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                                                NIKAD MAJNOVALA!

                                                  you know i understand very well where cookie's concept came from. however he is really not correct on this.

                                                  it's your right to disagree, but coinsidering that he helped me gain roughly @ 1500 MMR overall I must say that his concept worked like charm for me. If I was only consistent at listening to him and actually tried to put more effort, I'd be probably way higher MMR than I am now.

                                                  dota boils down to speed of correct decision making. anything that messes with how you make decisions affects how you play the game. tunnelling, attention span, lack of focus, impulsiveness, etc.. it's not just about fast reactions yes. but overall the better you are, you just make the correct decisions automatically. it's about practicing the moves.

                                                  It boils down to many things, decision making included. Speed of correct decison making varies depending on the bracket you are in. Also, you have to be objective here which is very hard, so it's best not to talk about things you are not sure about.

                                                  The speed of decision making of an average 2k or 3k guy is way slower compared to a guy of @ 4.5k mmr, for example. This has nothing to do with IQ or anything birth-related on the average but mostly with how good someone is at something.

                                                  Best way to explain this is that if you think faster than 3k you will likely be 4k and list goes on. In order to actually get better at this game, you pretty much need to minimize the urge to THINK. Just make sure you have most answers to the usual pattern of behaviors for low MMR players. Because, low mmr players barely think. Most of the time they behave according to their reaction, as you said.

                                                  So at the end of the day, it is really not important about how fast you can react to something if the reaction you have to do is already a pattern that's well built into your habbits, right?

                                                  you know the archon player who runs into 5 heroes? do u really believe some players are that stupid? u show it to the archon player in hind sight he will recognize immediately it was foolish. why does it happen though? it's reaction. your brain sees somethings, makes a decisions, and you commit to it automatically.

                                                  I agree. This is why learning patterns and playing accordingly helps a lot escape MMR. This all translates into decision making, game mechanics and so on. You srsly don't have to be fast at all to be decent at this game. Just average, probably even below. You just need to work your ass off.

                                                  NIKAD MAJNOVALA!

                                                    Must be why everyone commented about how accurate my essay was.

                                                    I'd like to actually see that thread if you can find it to me, so I can check and see how many of actual high-mmr players said anything related to your essey.

                                                    A misconception. The 2k bracket is not slow paced at all. Whilst the players arent good by any stretch of the imagination they understand the fundamentals and can catch you off guard. The gameplay is slower with a long laning phase and a lengthy phase of stagnation in the mid-game but teams rotate and people generally play well enough to illicit fast response times.

                                                    Just because you disagree it doesn't mean you are right. 2k MMR bracket is srsly slow as fuck. I can literally make ton of mistakes, missplays, die here and there and yet I get to win the game most of the times, because they are slow.

                                                    This just shows the fact how much you know about game in general. Someone with no urge to argue with you would probably stop here, because he'd realise how delusional, wrong and unrealistic you are exactly here.

                                                    Again, blind ignorance. Climbing 1600 mmr in a matter of months isnt nothing, its probably more than you have managed in years. Stop putting down other people for their achievements and focus on your own stagnantation instead.

                                                    It is nothing if you climbed from the MMR that's coinsidered a joke. As someone who's been smurfing multiples times now and everytime escaped 1k with ease and with over 70% winrate (keep in mind im just 4k) I can 100% approve that this bracket is complete joke

                                                    Because 1k is the zoo. Climbing out of it makes me very proud and it proves to me that I am not 1k like you and the other dunning-krugers on this forum would have me believe. And yes, as much as you like to use that stupid phrase, it is as applicable to you as it is to me. You are a very average dota player who needed coaching to even approach the higher end of the ancient bracket, yet you have this weird delusion that you have the right to tell other people who are rising through the ranks that their achievements arent important or that they arent good enough to climb anymore. Your attitude is pretty repulsive tbh.

                                                    First, 1k is the zoo indeed and because of that it's a joke. You can literally escape 1k playing Dazzle pos 1 mid if you know the hero good enough.

                                                    You are not far from 1k tho. I did coinsider you to be low 2k first time when we met, right? So I never claimed you are 1k. And even if I did, it was a joke, just pooking, trolling, nothing new. I'm an asshole sometimes, like we all end up being eventually.

                                                    Statistically I'm above average if you want me to cherry pick. I never paid for coaching in my life, all the help I got was from Cookie and it was all free of charge.

                                                    I am not ashamed by any means that I needed coaching to get better. Let me put it this way:

                                                    Steve Vai, a great guitarist got coached by Joe Satriani. Should he be ashamed too?

                                                    Also, I have all the right in this world to say that your archivment is not a big deal. Objectivly it's just a milestone, and should be coinsidered as such.

                                                    It's completely fine to be happy that you managed to get to 2k tho, don't get me wrong here. I was happy as fuck first time i got to 4k aswell. Just keep it silent, share it with your friends, or be realistic and normal about it. Don't make a fucking big deal out of it because it's not.

                                                    '96 Neve Campbell

                                                      Except I dont think its a big deal. I dont run around this forum flexing my mmr to people, I have to defend myself from idiots like you who attack me everytime I post, regardless of the subject.

                                                      NIKAD MAJNOVALA!

                                                        Not everytime, just when you pretend that you know shit you know nothing about.

                                                        Jacked

                                                          well. if you've never built in the correct response to something, you react slower. where as the seasoned player will just go, oh i can just tp in this scenario. instantly.

                                                          i mean we're kinda talking about the same thing but also different things. cookies idea was more that, i'm slow in real life, but i strategize and think ahead and understand the game and anticipate, so the game is not fast. but that is completely and utterly stems from a wrong understanding of how human's work. it is also abit of the opposite dunning kruger. i.e., it's easy for me so it should be easy for others.

                                                          but being slow in real life has nothing to do with it. don't get me wrong. his quick reaction does not take away from the fact that he does indeed plan ahead. but it's still reaction. when a million things happen in a fight, the guy whose reflex is the most correct has the edge. of course you practice it like he has. not saying it's not something u can't practice. but it's still reaction nonetheless.

                                                          jsut to be clear. reaction has nothing to do with physical capability. this is mental reaction we are talking about.

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                                                          名人堂Long

                                                            @parmaviolets Except you literally said that its a shit bracket with shit people. You can't accept the reality that you're a loser, 1k is harder than 3k really? Im startin to think you have down syndrome. Well I commented since I got triggered by your ego who thinks she's better than ancients and legends. You can't be more retarded than that right? Ofcourse she still wanna defend herself by thinking she's better and that she can teach people with higher mmr and her tips which she can't apply to herself, that would be hypocritical at its finest.

                                                            Oh pardon me I'm just kidding and trolling have a nice day guys, dont take it seriously :D love you lots @parma

                                                            '96 Neve Campbell

                                                              Stay in school buddy

                                                              cartel

                                                                imagine actually arguing online lmao
                                                                can you guys please stop this?
                                                                i hate seeing you fight like this
                                                                just
                                                                stop
                                                                no body needs to "win"
                                                                it's not a contest
                                                                nobody cares at all what either of you have to say
                                                                add each other
                                                                settle it between each other
                                                                arguing like this is just childish honestly
                                                                absolutely no need to make wikipedia articles dissing each other on dotabuff
                                                                just please stop fighting on this thread
                                                                its just terrible
                                                                also im gonna have to pull out my super secret weapon if you dont stop fighting
                                                                im friends with the one and only sirironsights
                                                                i can give him an account to shit post from
                                                                don't try me
                                                                i don't care who started what and who wants to end what
                                                                just stop
                                                                how hard is it to not do anything

                                                                Eddie

                                                                  @parma dude like I said if had half a brain you'd know that the solo ranked filter is bugged and to cross check that all you had to do was click on any of my HS games to know it's a solo game. But what can I say you're still a 2k theory crafter and will always be one until you change your attitude buddy.

                                                                  Eddie

                                                                    And yeah I think I've mentioned countless times on this forum that I used to be a toxic shite but I have 9.2k BHS. So valve apparently thinks I'm not that toxic, right? You could learn a thing or 2 from me, seeing as you're stuck in 5k Behaviour score and you make threads about some stupid theories. Also, according to you ive abandoned a ton of games, well buddy you seem to be struggling to climb even without abandons, rofl. Btw my profile picture is here to stay, you're a delusional weeb your opinion doesn't count

                                                                    Pizz

                                                                      Parma was a Legion jungle player. Should explain most of this thread.

                                                                      NIKAD MAJNOVALA!

                                                                        well. if you've never built in the correct response to something, you react slower. where as the seasoned player will just go, oh i can just tp in this scenario. instantly.

                                                                        The key word is correct here. Many people built some sort of a reaction, but it's not the correct one. Then you have an issue called bad habbit.

                                                                        mean we're kinda talking about the same thing but also different things. cookies idea was more that, i'm slow in real life, but i strategize and think ahead and understand the game and anticipate

                                                                        That is correct. Nothing wrong with it. Just another strategy. Whatever works best for you is the answer,right?

                                                                        but that is completely and utterly stems from a wrong understanding of how human's work. it is also abit of the opposite dunning kruger. i.e., it's easy for me so it should be easy for others.

                                                                        You can't say that you know how humans work. Everyone works differently. Human behavior is not a pattern you recognize by saying that you can idenfy every human with ease. My point being that if it works for him, it might work for someone else to. or it might not. Worth a shoot, anyways.

                                                                        it is also abit of the opposite dunning kruger. i.e., it's easy for me so it should be easy for others.

                                                                        I don't think he said that it should work for anyone. If he did he's wrong.

                                                                        but being slow in real life has nothing to do with it. don't get me wrong. his quick reaction does not take away from the fact that he does indeed plan ahead. but it's still reaction. when a million things happen in a fight, the guy whose reflex is the most correct has the edge. of course you practice it like he has. not saying it's not something u can't practice. but it's still reaction nonetheless.

                                                                        Obviously. But there's a difference between a pattern based reactions that you learned and just raw reaction. This gives an edge for competitive dota 2, in which many pros showed many time their superior reaction times that are literally not something everyone is capable of (it's literally limitation for some people, a peak, you get the idea)

                                                                        Jacked

                                                                          I mean him implying Dota is a slow game. That’s dunning Kruger and stems from a lack of understanding of how humans IN GENERAL process and complete tasks. Differences between individuals aside.

                                                                          Jacked

                                                                            Dota is in no way a slow game. Just watch someone with no background experience in gaming try to play Dota for the first time. I watch my Wife try to play Dota and it is hilarious. There’s so much coordination involved. You’ve played games so much you do certain things automatically you don’t realise how much resources it consumes. Watching and understanding the game is way different from playing. When you’re playing you cannot focus on enough of the right information and mistake happen. Very stupid ones.

                                                                            Everything about dota and different brackets is about speed and muscle memory.

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                                                                            Jacked

                                                                              That said, I would have serious doubts if someone claims to have divine level understanding of the game but is at crusader medal.

                                                                              Androgynous

                                                                                just fyi fnatic's coach is like 2-3k mmr. it's probably quite rare but it's not impossible for someone to have understanding of dota but not be good at playing it.

                                                                                Jacked

                                                                                  ^ is that true? Highly questionable to have a 3k mmr coach. That said. It is very possible to have someone with no Dota knowledge but a good analytical and statistical mind to analyse and break down games. For pros. Just to help identify patterns pro players tend to get into that they may not realise has an adverse effect on their gameplay.

                                                                                  TheRRogue

                                                                                    W8 isn't dubu the one who is coaching fnatic? That guy already achieve much on his previous team and past achievement.

                                                                                    mute all

                                                                                      idk if fanatic coach is 3k..he is ex pro player..from mvp team..saying he is 3k is fake news..

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