midas efficiency reduced 2 patches ago after being buffed right before, used to be 100 less gold for the recipy and 30 more gold per use
more early fighting
tread switching and stats increase farming speed and enable a little bit of early fighting
they might just build treads because the midas timing sucks but they already bought gloves of haste. thats what i do as spirit breaker.
Treads and Midas don't do the same thing, just cuz u go treads don't mean u can't go Midas etc
Also only seems viable in turbo
Sumiya is not good voker because he has 7k games with him while playing in 5k avg games
Its much worth playing 10 games on 7k avg mmr
Than 1000 games on 5k avg
Period.
They gets treads so they have enough attack speed to cancel mobility skills with continuous attacks and cold snap, such as storms ult, am blink ect.
^^ mmr assasin midas give atack speed also lmao its not that, its much cheaper and u can tread switch for dmg mana hp or more atack speed and is item who give together movement speed and u have 1 more slot free ,
Ofc course hes not good
If i have 7k games on tinker in 3k mmr , am i better than W33 who have 200 games with him?
It doesnt matter what mmr he is. Those perfect combos and game sense pretty much show. He may not be a 7k player, but is most definitely a 10k invoker. Where I see him getting trashed is sadly in the lane against a higher mmr player. He is like s4. Not great lane mechanics, but makes up for it in the midgame, with his superb playmaking abilities. The guy has almost infinite kill potential with combos that should not be possible to land so accurately.
Where I see him getting trashed is sadly in the lane against a higher mmr player.
you already said it yourself
he's trash and only looks good cuz he played in 5k bracket as a 7k player
no man, thats not what i said fauzan. dota is not just about laning. You cant just ignore the rest of my statements. He's way too good at the hero in every other aspect of the game. He's just at his weakest in lane. Which is still great. But I've seen some 7-8k players outlane him with heroes Invoker shouldnt lose to. Unlike most other people, I actually check his matches in entirety rather than just his youtube videos.
Almost 7k invo games with 70% win rate and 7 kda ratio, and the 2k guy in normal skill bracket is saying Sumiya is bad, people should learn how he lands those ice walls, and it's a pleasure to watch him switching strategy against different heroes in lane. He might not be the best invoker out there, but he is deifintely one of the best invos
He never played 7k mmr game in life while pros play all day
10 games in 7k mmr > 7000 games in 5k
And sumiya is not best invoker ywn is troling you all he want you to play tread voker in my games and make me lose mmr pls no
How did this turn into a sumiya discussion thread lol. I find being a good player and being a good invoker player 2 entirely different entity, with one being in macro gaming and the other being micro mechanics. There will always be room for debate regarding if he is overrated or not, but I have no questions for his mastery of the hero.
On topic.
The recent meta favours early skirmishes and rotations, and invoker isn't one of the strongest/sustainable laners out there. I feel treads gives you a safety net to neutrals and stats to survive or at least to wait out your defensive rotations. A midas, in comparison could delay your aghs by a while, and this could give a lot of momentum to your opponents, and also mentioned above with regards to change in lane mechanics.
sometimes i wonder whether this forum understands english...
on topic - i remember people of this same forum laughing at the idea of skipping midas, and now it suddenly appeals to them because Sumiya does it. Fickle be thy name, dotabuff. I doubt if most people here even think for themselves.
^might delay core item by a minute or two, which can be punished severely if the opponents see it. They smoke gank just as you're 900 gold off... the gold you could've saved from treads
I don’t know if skipping Midas is good or not a better player will need to answer that.
I just said I think sumiya does it when he can get a very fast aghs by skipping Midas and getting treads
90% of the games you wouldn't want to skip midas. The thing is players should analyze WHY some pros do it in certain situations.
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I saw pro players go for treads rather than midas now on invoker? Can you guys explain why?