General DiscussionYwn, jacked, and Tripplesteal, where are you?

Hmm, okay.

i here heLLo

Dude you don't need to make a post like this to inflate your ego, I'm sure they've looked at the other thread on this topic. Go and brag there.

whats the fuss about
shadowpools been there for the longest time and it was admitted by valve that it does

^that's about hidden pool and not shadow pool, shadow pool is when u get bots in ur games.

the post says that BS affects queue time, which is indeed a news, but im not sure where the hype comes from, or how am i related to this.

theyre dead in my basement

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

:D hi guys whatsup :Dd

im pretty sure shadowpool was about not being able to find game for stuf like sandboxing i may be wrong though

lol it's funny how ppl tryhard to prove they get into bad ppl hidden pool that is full of toxic players but dont realise if their words are right, that means they are toxic so they got low bs or whatever that causes them to get to that pool.

Ye fuck valve for not putting me in a game with nice ppl so i cant tilt and spread cancer there

'TripleSteal- 12 hours ago
^that's about hidden pool and not shadow pool, shadow pool is when u get bots in ur games.
the post says that BS affects queue time, which is indeed a news, but im not sure where the hype comes from, or how am i related to this.'............. lul. see brah acting like retard or being a retard for real is theyr self-defender mechanizem. how is this related to you? TRIPLERETARD , you were talking trash to everyone that used to say that bs affect matchmaking .

Wolven, it was totally necessary. I will brag on both threads. Thank you very much.

Sia, some people got into hidden pool for playing bad. Some people are only toxic because they get matched with hidden pool morons.

Alenari, there was an explicit Valve post about both shadow pool (for botters) and hidden pool (for game ruiners). People only chose to accept shadow pool for some reason.

Mafioso, yes. Did Trippleretard forget everything he wrote about hidden pool? Incidentally, that is his new name henceforth.

Anyway, any time I see a ywn or Trippleretard thread, I am posting the hidden pool image.

^dude wtf is wrong with u?
haHAA im a fucking child so everytime i get to shove into someones face that I was FUCKING RIGHT i will cuz im so gud haHAA
fuck off
grow up

also learn how to spell triple its giving me cancer
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Hidden pool doesn't affect good player's because if your good you can 1v9 enough to maintain a positive win %.

Question: if you're in hidden pool and you know to get out you have to be nicer to people why aren't you doing so?

@Lets do Science maybe being nice or rude isn't a choice like being gay or straight sort of thing.
We should be more understanding of people instead of punishing them.
Its 2017 its about time rude players can be them selfs.

Feelsbadman, have you seen Trippleretard’s and ywn’s posts on this matter? If they did not want autistic posts, then they should have not been insulting people about it. It is called karma.

His name is Trippleretard. Suck me off.

Lets do Science, you do not have to be rude to get reported.

i mean for one thing, i almost NEVER get game ruiners and the only thing i get is blaming and flaming wars time to time when i dont feel like being the person who warms up the team comm cuz im tired or smth

Waow..yeah absolutely, the only way you could get reports is that if you are absolutely a dick to people and not suddenly getting disconnected in the middle of a game.. nosirreee that is absolutely a nonfactor

And guys, how hard are your dicks to not admit that hiddenpool definitely exists? Yeah we get it, you are soooo good that your skill levels render low behavior scores irrelevant, but things is not wveryone would be that good to win with bad teammates.

You can keep your argument how these whiners are unable to carry retards and take it to your grave. That's something really special

How fortunate for you that valve gave you another excuse to cling your bad play and mentality on! Enjoy being bad

Lol. Additional search parameter that increases queue time. Okay.

Why my Tim pik jungle LC so toxic must be hidden pool and not normal Dota

i mean it was pretty fucking obvious it was going on for the last 3 years, its so fuckign obvious its amazing.

I have an acc with a 30% winrate while getting 20 kills every game, but the acc has 12 reports, while some guy with the same mmr who was in a match with me, has a 55% winrate that week while feeding every game. I've experienced that senario so many times, but thats cause I always end up with 7-18 reports on conduct summary.

back in 2015 when i was 1.6k mmr after calibrating my first time, i dropped to 800, and i was unable to climb back then even when i was getting 25+ kills. I read about hidden pool and left the game of dota 2 for about 2 months, i had read that it expires after 2 months back then, when I came back after 2 months I won every game like 30 in row after having not played for 2 months.

and I still contest that behavior score is not the actual measurement they are using, its just a indicator, if you look in the console it mostly has something to do with acc flags, all my accs have 3 flags, your acc gets flagged as disruptive then you either get low prio or chat muted.

^Just curious: What kind of players do you meet in a 800 mmr pool?

The question is whether valve
Exclusively puts toxic retards (define those first) only in your team or in both teams. Then we can examine the plausibility of what you are describing.

And of course it is mandatory to define what "toxic retards" mean because all valve knows is to put (hypothetically) 5 similar behaviour score ppl in the same team. Meaning you have the same tendency as the others to not want to win (somehow) even if u arbitrarily have 20 kills (kills win games). I mean it doesn't make sense that you are the only 1000 behaviour score person getting 20 kills all the time but not winning due to other 1000 behaviour score players, as though valve magically knows that 1000 behaviour score people typically will refuse to win. What I'm trying to say it's just a metric and you are projecting your own subjective attitudes onto others when in fact whatever that got you to that level is the same shit as the others anyway. Stop distancing yourself from them like "I'm the only one doing well trying to win but.."

Man there's just so much to discuss. You have to be sure you know what you're saying. It's hard to pin point the contentious issue here with so many things loosely thrown around.

and im getting 20 minute ques again.... another acc I had a 2 hour que.

its not possible to put 2 toxic teams together, its obviously gonna be 1 toxic team vs normal team, since their only enough hidden pool players at a single to make 1 team then throw it against the first available team.

its not gonna be all the time either. Sometimes your gonna get normal teams, its your acc flags im pretty sure considering I have 1 acc with semi normal que time and team mates with 1 acc flag, and another acc with 20 minute que and 3 acc flags and teams that always go 0-11 in 10 minutes every time

Whatever system they developed its alot more complex that you all think it is. Its also obvious they match players also based on performance and stats, which is why there is always 1 player on each team that if you look at stats and recent matches are out performing the other members of their team more recently, and always 1 player who is underperforming compared to his team mates in his recent games.

These are professional developers attempting to make the most advanced system. It has more measurements than we like to think. hence the use of algorithms, you don't need algorithms if it was real basic execution.

So as cookie has pointed out. Behaviour score is a bad excuse for playing bad.

the toxic experience is what most of these hidden pool retards complain about. And that's entirely subjective and more likely due to hidden pool dicks own toxic personality.

If u look at the only real operational way to define having a toxic team, ie intentional feeders, abandons, behaviour score matchmaking is not any indication that these will manifest (more in your team than the other team) but as cuki has shown, if u just play well it's more likely to happen on the other team.

It is subjective after all. If you are winning, the other team is more likely to rage and throw, as cuki has shown.

So conclusion is not that hidden pool may or may not exist, but it is still a fucking bad excuse for your bad play and own toxic behaviour.

at 30 minutes, now, my laptop i qued at the same time on uswest at same mmr with different account and got 5 minute match.

Maybe if OP and all hidden pool theorist bothered to understand the underlying reason why ywn myself and others fought the idea hard, he wouldn't look like a complete retard with this "celebratory" shit fest of a post. Lol.

I mean if valve came out tomorrow and said, we match ppl according to behaviour score, it wouldn't change a thing.

I will however, walk the streets naked and have everyone shout "shame" like cersei Lannister if valve actually said something like " to punish players with negative behaviour, we put ppl with the same behaviour score in the same team only".

I'm a man of science. Just show me evidence that u can disprove the established model and I will concede.

@drengr. Wow u have increased search time and valve said it increases search time. I'm not retarded I can read and I'm not challenging that aspect of matchmaking.

I dont know but these 30 minute fucking ques every fucking time i try to acc on some of my accs is really annoying as hell

except on my accounts with less reports, i get the match in 5 minutes. and Also I didnt start to experience these que times till more last 2 months.

and every time i finally get a fucking team on this acc its a complete stomp, with complete map control lost at 12 minutes. I keep waiting 30 minutes to have 5 enemies knocking down all the t2's by 17 minutes and 3 afk team mates. although i can still win if I try, I just get tired of that.

Ok at least you've said that u think valve puts only toxic team together. I don't think that's a realistic matchmaking model
To be honest. Because you're punishing the players with good behaviour score. But itd be interesting to see if valve actually does this.

You see the problem is a million things affect the outcome of a match. Usually we start to project our own subjective biases and assessments. Like when u say it's a fuckin stomp. Then u point out uncooperative Behavioural and all that jazz.. well u have to acknowledge the millions of other reasons a game could be a complete stomp. And stomps are not at all unusual in Dota btw.

Or things like "omg I have a jungle LC in my team" = toxic match making at work. When there could be a million reasons a person chose to pick it. But all these hidden pool theorist like to pin everything On behaviour of their teammates to justify their own failings.

Similarly your play style and the way u farm around the map can affect the outcome of the game which u try to magically just blame on toxic behaviour. But there could be a million reasons why that's the case.

also every game im vs a smurf usually

really cause im in a match right now and asked my teammates, all of them said they had 15 minute que+ then i asked the enemy team and they all said 5 minute que... so all of my team mates had a long que like me

and theres a 600 avg gpm smurf playing lone druid mid vs me while my team is alreayd 1-7 in 7 minutes

well yeah i just confirmed, my entire team had like 15+ minute que, and the enemy team confirmed they were all like 5 minute que.

It's spelled TRIPLE
TRIPPLE IS WHEN A HORSE WALKS WITH BOTH RIGHT LEGS AND BOTH LEFT LEGS MOVING IN UNISON WITH EACH OTHER
r u fucking illiterate

So what you say is: if i destroy my items After every game to inflate my stats. I will get carried by some 800 gpm average Boosters on and on?

actually yeah you should do that, sell your items to deflate your stats so the game thinks your worse than you are lol

Im actually really happy they confirmed this...now you don't
Need to whine here about hidden pool....it exists so your threads are pointless

mb i cant read or dont understand what hidden pool is, bt i thought
a. they said your queue time can become longer if u did smtnhg wrong recently
b. hidden pool was supposed to match people with low bs together

how is b proved by a?

on the other hand, the probability of hidden existing sure rised a lot when the newcomers-bs and this queue time pool were announced, since the feautures are similar, and i give it a 50/50 atm.

btw idc how u spell triple, it varies across regions, both options exist, just that the one with one p is more, uhm, orthodox

why would anyone care