they lost the 2nd game against newbee because of sumail.
rtz and uni were taking bot barracks while newbee were sieging. newbee retreated to defend and sumail chased them (underfarmed mirana with 2 supps chasing 4 enemies with a godlike streak OD)
Obviously they all died because sumail always plays way too agressive like the teenie he is, and newbee could end the game. so either sumail is to blame for ignoring crit, or crit for making a bad call.
he tilts all the time, he looses one game and plays like shit in the following games. his "in your face" mid playstyle gets punished nonstop by enemy supports.
kicking someone would be bad for EG. they need to sort out their issues and let crit develop as a captain. they had good results before TI.
crit and sumail need to grow up (sumail literally and crit needs to grow as a captain)
thank god we have our reddit armchair psychologists to clear things up for us
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I'm just thinkin that RTZ can't realize himself as a player whie he's not in a central position.
Sumail seems bad in every game.
1st game against Empire - he was walking with a streak alone.
2nd game - he lost as puck to mirana.
In other lost games he was doing so much trash moves, i can't believe. Always bited, doesn't check inventories, doen't control couriers. Oh my god.
no passion is in sumail any more.
he's to cocky as he said it himself earlier
btw u cant be a decent mid player if u getting aged.. time have proven that
he just need to grow up and stop being a trash human being he is
Lol, u can be a pro CS player even in 30. Why u talk that about Dota, that game doesn't even require that much reaction. Age is not an issue untill u are at least 35 or higher.
i have watched 50 games of EG in about 1 year, i can safely say that sumail is underperforming hard since Epicenter.
@Arnbition
im guessing u are more than 20 or smth , that u got so offended
how many succesfull aged player do u see in mid lane
im talking about pro scene not pubs .
I cant understand how some random shitters from reddit/dotabuff can criticize pro players
Their game understanding is MILES beyond your comprehension be it sumail, cr1t or any1 else
Never forget he said "i know only dota,i dont even have a friends in school,not even 1" i can imagine how human skilled is that boy,worst is many young players could take that as normal thing.
sumail can calculate how much hits it takes for enemis to kil and how much chances enmie has to kil him while u dont know what u eat this morning and i fuck ur ddad mother in and hacksaw and burrow her in front of ur house
he's playing in ti while you're here typing on the keyboard. lol
https://dota2.gamepedia.com/media/dota2.gamepedia.com/4/41/Slark_move_12.mp3
I don't know how anyone watches TI and thinks Sumail was the reason they lost. When even Day9 can see your drafting strategy has serious weaknesses, clearly the team captain is the problem. Cr1t's drafting was acknowledged as horrible by literally EVERY analyst, and his play in game, particularly as Winter Wyvern, was quite short of stellar.
I'm sure your mmr is well above his to say he sucks cock.
Or maybe he bought his account, cuz clearly the EG organization is that stupid to recruit an unskilled player.
gets left alone to babysit mid, still gets rampage 20 min into the game with razor or fights 1v5 with lifestealer at 10% hp and wins "arteezy worst player" LUL
"omg he's so bad"
basement dweller calling pro dota player with career earnings of $2.5M bad.
yea...
His hero pool seems limited but he's still quite good. I don't think he's adapted to this meta where there's a ton going on at mid. He wants to 1v1 everyone and that's not where mid is at right now, it doesn't matter if mechanically he can out cs and deny every other mid if he can't see ganks coming and turn them around.
His attitude seems really bad. Did you see him on the broadcast? He basically said he's the best mid in the world and only reason they are losing is cus people gank him and his supports don't back him up.
I still don't think he's the issue with eg though.
Why the fuck r u pinning a loss on a single player
This is just like my fucking pubs
No one on eg rlly played well
Crit drafted poorly, sumail overextended, etc etc
This is a team effort, they fucked up
Sumail is still understood as the best mid player in the world, they just need to improve their team strategies and shit. Sumail basically lost mid because of nyx. Nyx counters sumails entire hero pool practically.
how dare u guys tell anything to sumail...
i bet all ur mother's are w.hores i fuck for 20 euros under bridge every month
It's definitely not on a single player. Who the fuck knows what their chemistry is really like, we have no idea, but from an outsider view it doesn't seem that great. Then you see interviews with teams like vp and og where they are basically like family and talk about having never been on a team like that before. Idk if eg has that. They seem more like all business, just there to get the job done. I think fear and ppd were kind of their glue. But that's all conjecture, I really have no idea.
Sumail not the issue though, even though I think the weakest part was drafting and support play, it's like the whole team just needs to gel more and work on specific strats. They'll be fine.
I think they could take a page from vp's playstyle. Eg has always, since ti5 winning days, relied on the individual brilliance of their players to outperform in lane, make space, farm an advantage and win the game late. They sometimes roll out drow strats, but in general they don't pick anything spicy like run at you heroes. Look at what vp does, ursa mid picks, viper, they will fight you all day and be aggressive. Meanwhile universe's signature heroes are like enigma and dark seer, major farmers. Sumail needs to start picking storm again and try some aggressive shit. Rtz should pick like jug or pa or something to spice it up. I just think their playstyle is stale.
Eg doesn't draft like that
U can't force a playstyle like that on to a team.
Theyre chemistry may be different but they have played with each other for a while, as a team for a year and even before that universe, zai, rtz, and sumail have played with each other at various times. I think they just choked hard.
yeah we're probably overthinking it. I mean OG has won 4/5 majors and got knocked out like 2nd round last year. It happens.
Eg lost the draft both games against empire. I didn't watch them against newbee so I cannot comment on that.
In both series they keep trying to do these cute cheeky combos with mirana arrows
Like just pick comfort heroes wtf r all these when curse into arrow combos or naga sleep into arrow.
mirana is a super good pick not just for arrow though. Nukes early, scales well as a core late, escape, good ult.
^yes it did work in group stage and they tried it against empire and loss
My point is when in doubt, fall back to ur comfort picks.
lol chill fanboys of pakistan.
I'm playing worse than sumail but quiet enought to see how bad is him compared to other midlaners.
U dont need to do a lot to basicaly analise a replay. Actually watching replays is the best thing to improve.
honestly i think he's worst player of EG. Crit drafts are bad but in draft stage every member of EG takes his part while picking. So that's not only his fault, while sumail s ruining non-stop, like he got paied fir it. 322
@Mid or 2 mid
I'm 20 and i'm quiet sure the age is not an issue till an age i told u b4
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OMG he's so bad.
All mid players are very skilled, but he's a garbage u know.
8kPlayer alway outplayed by other midlaners, feeding couriers, can't even check FieryFire in inventory of an oposite player so getting bited so hard.
He's that bad, that EG supports always have to babysit that kid, while RTZ and Univers playing solo to creat more space for that unskilled Pakistan. Lina and Storm a bit Nerfed = He loses games.
I'm so disappointed in EG right now. I see Zai, RTZ and Universe tryharding so much, while that player throws and throws and throws so much.
Should they put RTZ mid once again?
GOD DAMN THAT SUMAIL SO BAD LET HIM FINISH A SChOOL FIRST PLS.