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NERF ARC FOR LOVE OF GOD in General Discussion
Dodo

    That shit is most retarded thing in the game!!!!

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      Kakashi~

        I lost mid from this Sh*t Arc picker, but not the game..

        https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2719356587

        Jacked

          Diox?

          Perte

            really?? arc warden is underpowered and easy to counter. The reason valve still nerfs him because its gonna be in cm soon and valve doesnt want another earth spirit incident in pro scene

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            Nile

              It's not fun to play arc against am, invoker, meepo.

              Chadzpyre

                underpowered? this hero has 55% winrate in 5K bracket LUL

                Radagon

                  Inb4 tempest double won't be able to use regen items on main arc

                  Perte

                    %55? nope max %52

                    avarage arc winrate is %42 (way below %50 means underpowered)

                    visage also has %54 winrate on 5k but everyone thinks its the shittiest hero ingame and everyone wants buff which is true its literally the least picked hero ingame (112th on popularity)

                    Let me tell you the reason why both of these heroes has high wr above 5k.

                    They are unpopular and only people who are amazing with them picks them above 5k. Let me be more clear:

                    other strong heroes in this meta like timbersaw, morph, juggernaut doesnt go above %49 because most players picks them even if they are bad with the hero. which means the players who are good with those heroes increase their winrate but at the same time, players who are bad with them lowers those heroes winrate

                    people who are bad with visage + arc just ignores them which means only players who are amazing with them decides their winrate (%50>)

                    Shou

                      You literally just explained why arc is so OP. Cuz his skillcap is so high, his potential is also rlly high

                      Illyasviel

                        hes always nerfed sience the beginning and what do u want? remove him?

                        Perte

                          @Daddy What? No. Vice versa

                          High skill cap actually proves my point. people who are bad with arc, visage ignores them because of their high skill cap which leaves only people who are actually good with them to decide their winrate at 5k. No one ignores heroes like juggernaut pa timber because of their low skill cap so players who are bad with them lowers their winrate while good ones increase so they sit around %50. how can i make myself more clear?

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                          Chadzpyre

                            5K+ players (sometimes) know what theyre doing on certain heroes, so yeah if its a high skillcap hero then the best measure of how good it is vs other heroes, would be at the higher skill levels. and in the "this week" it says 54.5% in 5K+

                            also visage isnt the worst, hes still respectable with drow on the team and drow is in like 1/3 of games theses days, but still almost always better to go with dazzle of w/e

                            if you want a REAL bad hero then look at BB. <50% winrates all around and the higher the skill the lower the WR.

                            Shou

                              I see what ur saying, but my point is that these really good players show arcs potential insanity, which is why many think it needs to be curbed.

                              Chadzpyre

                                ^i agree entirely. its like old earth spirit.

                                Perte

                                  @Weaponized thats the reason why im talking about 5k and ignore others. But that doesnt mean every 5k player know how to play every hero. Thats why professional players focus on one role. There are players on pro scene who cant play meepo even a little. I just tried to explain you why every arc player you see are dominating with them

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                                  nyancicadas~

                                    as an arc spammer i say dont nerf him

                                    have a support sit mid and he cant do shit
                                    have a support gank mid and he cant do shit
                                    group up and he cant do shit

                                    lots of people have no fucking clue how to play with or against him either so the people that actually do play him well stomp

                                    Perte

                                      ^ i agree. Micro heroes or groups means 0 damage from spells. And his right click is a joke for an agility hero since he has 24+2.3 str, 24 + 2.6 int and 15 + 1.8 agility (LOL) game must to go late game for his right clicks to work

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                                        U just need to know how to deal with AW

                                        RIP

                                          group up? split push rat base ez rax

                                          dunce

                                            "u need to know how to deal with aw" i like those aw players defending their ez mmr hero

                                            dunce

                                              Kappa
                                              i hate em

                                              Perte

                                                ^ he has %47 winrate. i dont think aw is his ez mmr hero. AW cannot be someones boosting hero since countering him is easy

                                                Mahtava Roushan

                                                  @Parte

                                                  He literally has played only on 6 games on Arc Warden, and the last one was 9 months ago.

                                                  dunce

                                                    if player knows how to play arc, u cant really counter it hard

                                                    dunce

                                                      ^^ so?

                                                      Perte

                                                        ^thats a fact for all 112 heroes in dota, not only arc
                                                        there is also %85 winrate in 2500 matches IO https://www.dotabuff.com/players/171488246/matches?hero=io

                                                        @Hello what are you talking about?