General DiscussionThe best sf build in the entire Dota universe

many builds work on sf, there isnt a specific best

why would you ever get shivas on sf, especially over ac?

It's like getting shiva on alch and razor, zoneing, slowing and overall much better tankyness.

Honestly, the attackspeed slow is massive.

Yeah but alch it's all in combo with oct, radiance, manta build, so his illusions project the aura, and razor? I have never seen shivas on razor either.

Plus alch is str hero, sf is agility so he naturally has high armor, and ac stacks nicely with his aura.

Git gud

Personally I like the aghs on sf. But I tend to like aghs on every hero. I dislike euls though. It's so shit and rarely works

It's for farming. I had 472cs in that 41 min game and 803 gpm, it's mostly because of this infinite mana from eul's

Is mana really that much of a problem mid to late for
Farming ?

yes without a void stone in something

or a skadi

and its more about the first 20-30 mintues than the rest of the game, euls is an item that both makes you farm way faster and lets you make your own space

Still wondering how you cast you're ulti in fights when there's an LC, WK and Lion in enemy team

Euls is a farming item with the potential of setting up banks. Sf has no other mana items. Shivas on razor is legit cuz he likes the slow so people can't escape static link or his ulti, on sf it seems out of place and unnecessary given the minus armor synergy with ac. I do agree with the early items but refresher doesn't sound useful to me when u have to refresh and charge up the ulti again. My build is euls blink aghs bkb ac skadi. The last 2 items r really exchangeable, butterfly, satanic, crits, mkb, silver edge, hurricane pike, bloodthorn, manta, diffusal, linkens, even eblade.

bkb and or being good at dota

Wait for duel and WK to go on someone then either bait the last stun or euls kill the last one. U have to jebait

Because of the magic red buff to neutrals and mana cost increase to raze sf can no longer sustain flash farming without euls.

He didn't build bkb. Only Linkens and thats it

Edit: must be hax or the ultimate jebaited move

Yo. So it is a nice idea to use euls as an early farming item because of the nerf to his farming ability early, etc etc. nice idea. But just taking a quick look at the hero guide section (small sample I know) > euls is built sometimes so I guess it is somewhat viable > but there doesn't appear to be any significant increase in farming speed 20-30min. So not too sure if u get it too boost your 20-30min farming.

That's too small a sample. Sf is still very vulnerable to getting shut down, he is the same squishy bastard early on. And euls helps him stay in jungle but he still can't take stacks as easily, or farm the camps as fast. Its possible they had to fight with euls. Didn't spend enough time farming. There r too many variables and not enough sample size to judge IMO. The fact that u see the item built by better players shows that it is useful at least.

I get eul's at 12 min along with bottle treads and Aquila, I sold eul's at 39 min for a butterfly, when I had way too much gold, we couldn't finish because of the lack of physical damage, it was useful form min 12-39. I didn't build bkb because my opponents are bad, I would get bkb over linken's if I was playing against 3.5k+ players.

Well I'm just saying if u buy an item for farming u should see a significant increase in cs. Not going the farming item and not seeing a difference could suggest u don't really need it to keep up farm. But yes. Small sample I know

Bkb is mandatory on sf almost every game. Same for dk, sven, WK, troll, pa, etc. Too rekt by disables.
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Just wombo my friend

shivas is for refresher combo. use it when you ult, 65% slow in a teamfight prevents enemies from walking out of your 2nd requiem.

But with the delay on the ulti it does. Most carries buy hurricane pike and force staffs on supports and shit. Plus their only slowed not stumned so they can still disable u, and not gathered up like they presumably were when u did the first one, so not as much DMG. U cud just kill em with right clicks while they run away with reduced DMG and slow.

if they could have disabled you when you were casting requiem, they would have done it the first time. also you have a team too so yeah.

ns skill bracket nahh every build works in that bracket ..

^any build works in a bracket u are far superior to. Any 7k could go Dagon SF in ur scrub VHS bracket. Get down from ur high horse. That's because u use skill to compensate for a suboptimal build. But even in normal skill there are builds that are more game winning than others. Surprise. Because not everyone is a smurf in normal skill

I thought it is baumi's build. Euls is a godlike item on sf -baumi. I agree with this. When you got so far behind you should farm the stack that support make you. When you get this item most likely ez 1 kill on enemy hero since the ms is quite valueable active is quite good but the mana is the real reason why you buy this item. Agh is overwhelming when you got it early enough you dont need to be close to kill a guy. If you watch the lastest baumi sf video you will see why he bought that item