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Int hard carry in General Discussion
Lifeline

    Since we don't have one, and both agi and str heroes has hard carries, what do you guys think?
    I would like to see something fresh for a new hero after monkey king, and just thought of this idea
    What do you guys think about it? Maybe a somewhat stats oriented DPS int hero? Post your thoughts

    Jacked

      silencer and OD can be hard carries I'm sure!

      Seven-

        closest thing we get for an int hc is od and silencer

        dunce

          Since we don't have one
          then wtf is OD

          Seven-

            rip jacked beat me

            dunce

              and there are many more int heroes that actually do a lot of dmg in lategame and are powerful af

              Potato Marshal

                OD is a hard carry, silencer is kind of a shitty carry since his glaives only double his damage unless you're up against incredibly high armored opponents, and he benefits most from utility items.

                HartzFear

                  Invoker?

                  Seven-

                    rclicking int heroes will kinda be lame unless they have a gimmick like OD since that stat is primarily just for increasing mana/manaregen and spell amp

                    well maybe some guy who's rclick damage uses his mana pool --> damage but meh lame idea

                    Lifeline

                      OD aint hard carry OD is bullshit in any stage of the game lmao
                      What I mean as "hard carry" is heroes that is only good in the lategame with high amount of farm
                      OD can just kill people any time past 10 minutes with only a force staff

                      Jacked

                        Bws. That's because he is broken. Haha. Like when specter was good every aspect of the game but he was supposed to be a traditional hard carry.

                        Silencer is shit but he can kinda get hard carry with lots of int stolen and go full right click

                        Trash

                          My Dong is intelligent and hard as well.

                          doc joferlyn simp

                            what the fuck is the point of them being intelligence if they are unable to utilize spells that have a static amount of damage ie they can only be good early game

                            what are they gonna do with all that int roflmao

                            HartzFear

                              Invoker?

                              Seven-

                                @haffy

                                they can cast more spells with it kappa

                                plus spell amplify is a stat now

                                Lifeline

                                  stat is a spell amplify*

                                  Seven-

                                    what

                                    what i meant was that spell amplify is now a controlled parameter aka "stat" in game lingo cuz u can increase it with ur int

                                    i honestly feel dumb rn rofl

                                    doc joferlyn simp

                                      ah yes atk speed and dmg is now a stat, i feel like i just woke up lmao

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                                      HartzFear

                                        Invoker?

                                        Jacked

                                          Invoked isn't in the traditional right click sense. But he can definitely be a beast and carry late game

                                          DOOM: ETERNAL is now playing

                                            Furion and windranger can be strong as well but not as hard as the heroes mentioned above......

                                            one syllable anglo-saxon

                                              storm is an int hard carry
                                              od is an int hard carry
                                              tinker is an int hard carry
                                              invoker is an int hard carry

                                              what the fuck is the point of them being intelligence if they are unable to utilize spells that have a static amount of damage ie they can only be good early game

                                              what are they gonna do with all that int roflmao

                                              =)

                                              Luxon

                                                Int heroes are specifically designed to be about their active abilities mostly and if are good at right-clicking - countered by BKB.
                                                I think that if you just swapped heroes with their abilities int heroes would do much better because of how much they can spam spells. imagine an OD instead of Luna with her spells, or just switch juggers int and agility and see what happens. there are plenty of non-attribute-based DPS and defensive items out there. Only real sad stories are butterfly, because of not having evasion based item on int, and maybe diffusal. While int comes with shitload of items with utility.

                                                KingRyan

                                                  I can remember Hao's QoP as hard carry

                                                  Mandalorian

                                                    Storm, voker, od, tinker, qop - all can carry pretty hard with right items.

                                                    Jacked

                                                      Qop cannot carry wut

                                                      Dr. Banana

                                                        What about NP?

                                                        ...if you go the right click build.

                                                        STE 8-1-8

                                                          Natures prophet is probably the closest dps int hero for what you are asking, od, storm and qop also have pretty good right clicks late game too.

                                                          Silencer has the potential for good dps as he has the highest agi gain of all int heros and his glaves is based on a percentage on his int and deal pure damage but is blocked by bkb, and he is let down by his farming speed.

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                                                          casual gamer

                                                            storms awesome lategame

                                                            Peekaboo

                                                              Lina is underated fam

                                                              RIP

                                                                i think he means a hero that desperately needs items and a lot of them to make a big impact. like antimage spectre medusa morph naga.

                                                                thats the thing, pretty much all int heroes can already snowball in early game if they are ahead.

                                                                Dire Wolf

                                                                  Uhh wtf? There's tons of int carries if itemized for it.

                                                                  Lina, built in right click passive. Lina with shivas, scythe, bloodthorne is right clicking like a beast.
                                                                  Silencer, same deal, that glaive dmg is nuts.
                                                                  Pugna, tower damaging spells, can 1v1 almost anyone with his ult, counters casters like crazy.
                                                                  NP, build for right click or rat.
                                                                  Invoker, this dude hits fucking hard late game, he is not only about spells.
                                                                  OD, nuff said
                                                                  Necrophos, not a right clicker but damn tanky, amazing ult. Can hard carry games.
                                                                  Storm spirit, right clicks very hard late, amazing cc, really hard to kill
                                                                  Tinker, no tower dmg but damn he will wipe your entire team with rocket spam.
                                                                  Windranger, nuff said
                                                                  DP can hard carry games kind of like necro, doesn't really right click but tanky and tower killer with ult
                                                                  Lesh used to be before he got nerfed so hard.

                                                                  Only one I disagree with is qop. Pros would build like orchid and ac on her and right click late but I don't like the build.

                                                                  RIP

                                                                    well her natural items are shit like bloodthorn and sheep. so the rightclick comes on its own xD

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                                                                    Shou

                                                                      Late game storm, tink, silencer, invoker, od, windranger, all are strong. However most r strong throughout the game, and the greediest one here is probably invoker

                                                                      casual gamer

                                                                        storm and to a lesser extent tinker are useless without farm

                                                                        od needs to be ahead

                                                                        Shou

                                                                          Actually i carried hard with lina once.

                                                                          http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2596642585

                                                                          And windranger, but mostly because of dumb invoker feeder.

                                                                          http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2526661844

                                                                          Also if anyone wants a really orgasmic clip look at this game where void chronos me (silencer) in my jungle

                                                                          http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2667346041
                                                                          I have never KreyGasmed this hard in my life

                                                                          CUTNPASTE

                                                                            Pretty sure Storm outcarries shit like Naga and AM if he has a second hero who can hit buildings. If that isn't a hard carry then I don't know what is. Invoker also shits on 99% of heroes lategame if the player is any good.

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                                                                            TripleSteal-

                                                                              int scales poorly into lategame cz unlike hp pool/attack speed/armor, u only need a limited amount of mana

                                                                              trench

                                                                                silencer can turn into a carry with int steals. and with w he can dish out pretty good dmg.

                                                                                Shou

                                                                                  Go slahsers way for silencer its so funny. And stuff like glaives, arcane orb, lina passive, ball lightning, all scale extremely well into the late game. If u go storm against a team without disables, and it goes late u can solo anyone. Rearm also.

                                                                                  Shou

                                                                                    Basically its not abt the stat of int scaling but abt their spells scaling

                                                                                    Platypus

                                                                                      Buff Windranger. Maybe not a hard carry, but pretty close late game

                                                                                      Underpowered

                                                                                        OD is u fak