General DiscussionAn unexpected journey to the normal skill :D

but I can't understand 'normal' players who seriously talking about supps/builds/stratagy there,
Are you retarded, do you think that just because people are normal skill, they just yolo everygame?, people play the game to win, not for a guy to build dagon+rapier on riki, and lose the game with a kda of 30.
Some people within the normal skill bracket can have a lot more game knowleged than you, they just dont have the time to put on ranked mm, stop with this, you are ruining other people games.

theoretical knowledge is not your skill

also i want to cry every time i see someone stating that "some people could be higher in mmr, but they just have no time". this argument is a fucking nonsense. yo, if i spent 2x time in dota of what i actually spent, i would be 7k or some shit, but i am not 7k now, and i never thought that i deserve 7k. if u dont put time into it, its your choice, but dont pretend not being shit just because theorically you could be better. hypothetical state doesnt matter;if you are in normal skill bracket, you are just not good.

*you are ruining other people games.
Im not phantom riki D: I try to play good, or not bad at least (except first calibration matches and some feed when I have no cour).

W0W man rekt them normal skill skrubs lmao xDDDD congratulations way to go! :))))

I seen so many high mmr games full of mistakes, that even i a normal skill scrub dont do in my pubs, i have friends that play x hero, on the same skill level as a pro player, but just play on the weekends, yes they dont have time, so they never play ranked, if you are so good, and cry every time, why even respond the commmend you fuck

@Alenari I don't want to rekt them, I just want to relax and have some fun.
Anyway, some of my opponents have much more games than me (<1k hours in dota) so why not?

if u play on the same level as people 2k mmr above you, u have ~80-90% winrate. if you dont, then u lie to yourself, same as 95% people around you who think that "they deserve higher mmr", "teammates hold them back", "matchmaking is rigged", etc. etc.

the point of higher mmr players doing mistakes is pretty funny. im sorry to tell you, but all dota players do mistakes, and mmr only reflects how small and rare they are on average.

*if u play on the same level as people 2k mmr above you, u have ~80-90% winrate.
And after second game I will get my VHS and back to 50 winrate, sure.
*~80-90% winrate.
I don't think that even Sumail can play pubs vs 2-3k players with 90% winrate, which is full of tards and ruiners, except tryinghard and playing some strong universal heroes like voker/slark, without any fun.

If we talk about averages:

!Attacker has 57% Kunkka winrate and 4.2 KDA.
I have 61% Kunkka winrate and 4.6 KDA.

You don't have to be a genius to tell I'm, like, waaaay better at Kunkka than Attacker. Stats never lie.

Btw the only reason I'm not 7k like him if you're wondering is because I don't have enough time for ranked, I play for fun. Also he doesn't get such shitty teammates like me.

@use the force, luke
average 5-6k boosters have ~90% up to high 3ks. sumail is a better player than them, i suppose.

Sumail would win 99% of his games at 2-3K if he was on an account that stayed at that MMR despite winning. People have done it who aren't even close to sumails skill.

@Triple
this
>except tryinghard and playing some strong universal heroes like voker/slark, without any fun.
Tinker counts too. They can't pick heroes they want to play and they can't relax while playing.
@SOSLICK22

I mean

>No one know that he is sumail
>Courier feeding
>Double mid
>5 carry
>KS, KS and CS (creepstealing)

Yes they can.....

Sumail could pick over half the hero's and stomp 2-3K games with a winrate above 90%

picking heroes that win games = having fun for the vast majority of 5k+ players, me included. in case of 2ks/low 3ks tho, u can fp io and rush armlet/mom/sb, and still have 90% winrate (considering u r a 7k player like sumail)

Please show me one normal skill player with 90% solo (!!!) winrate without spamming one/two heroes

yet despite the feeders, ksers and w/e, any streamer u can find on twitch still wins 90% of their games at this rating. somehow. do u think its some kind of a coincidence, or mb u r just underestimating the skill gap?

yo, dude, why dont u google this stuff urself instead of making me do it for you?

^? are u retarded or something, 3k is almost same skill as 5k

3k same as 5k? No... no, please stop before you embarrass yourself.

3k is not ALMOST the same as 5k, 3k is 5k

@elduryb
are u new to the forums? did u miss the 3k=5k meme?

@op
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/172379424/matches?date=&duration=&faction=&game_mode=&hero=&lobby_type=ranked_matchmaking&page=3&region=&skill_bracket=&timezone=Pacific%2FPago_Pago
mmr ~3k
stats for the period of boosting : 87/9. id add that probably there were two different people boosting this acc, and 2nd one was significantly better than the first one (he had like 47/2).

@TripleSteal, not new to forums, but apparently way late for the memes. Last I knew the skill gap was enormous between 3k and 5k. Not anymore, huh?

there cant be a gap between two absolutely equal skill groups PogChamp

So is there no skill gap between 0k and 2k MMR now? D:

its some particular thing about 3k and 5k, i believe. u cant use it as a general rule.
also there is kind of a paradox of 4k mmr which is better than 3k and worse than 5k, which is impossible considering 3k=5k; but the orthodox believers state that you just have to accept it and move on.

Whats the point of this thread?

Anyhow, seems like 2k suits you well.

this 3k shit head will get 5k in a year. you better w8 it, difference on 3k and 5k is only how much time they spent to play, kaffa.

Mmr is a garbage system If you're a f2p valve would give you the shittiest teams ever in the history of dota and you'd have 20 lose streak.
Carrying 12year old braindead shitstains is close to impossible

Really liked the post! Thanks for the effort. I know it might be the wrong place to ask this, but I'm in a paradox. I'm able to carry games in High skill matches (mostly slark and void) but when it comes to normal skill games I tend to lose most of them. I've tried all the roles in these matches from 1-5. Something doesn't work. Can someone help me see it?
TIA

CLQ, can you please explain the concept of MMR boosting then?

It has a logic explanation.Those who spend money on dota must encouraged to keep on spending no matter how shitty they are.In my 1st account i started winning a lot the moment i started buying doto things.Im a shit player but i managed to climb from 300 to 2.5 k without much effort(good teamates in almost every match).

@hangyourselves, dude, you're cancer, you have a sub 45% win rate, are like 1K MMR, and think you belong in 4K or something. Even your name says a lot about you as a player, you probably go into every game thinking you're the best on the team, the definition of dunning kruger..