yeah
that's exactly what i thought
i see echo PA in top mmr game but i see no sense
pa's got even a built in slow
Diffusal is very cost-efficient item now. Also you can think about it that way: each dagger you throw burns 40 mana from your target and if you jump in you can quickly burn remaining mana leaving victim helpless.
^d'ah... u just blink strike, drop ur item, attack, pick it up.
Easy damage.
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PA saber indeed isn't optimal. I like the idea of diffuse on her though, combined with manta. Pretty good build against the Bloodthorn (?) aswell if that got picked up by someone.
but you dont crit with diffusal lmao
pa is pa because of her ability to burst down heroes, you dont build agi nor aspd on her because she scales most with damage thanks to blinkstrike negating the need for aspd
yeah there are funny builds like mom or sny but honestly why pick pa if u want those items, get a slark or ursa
@carry
That extra damage from stun procs doesn't crit either. So... Basher gives you only 10 damage for 2700 gold.
honestly what hero do you buy this item on
i don't understand at all what icefrog meant by this
It's fine on Naix I guess, and some other heroes like WK and maybe Tiny? I don't know, it's honestly a totally random item, I have no idea what Icefrog was thinking.
@arin
Double attack is great on Slark, so he can steal stats faster. Also I heard that it's good on Spirit Breaker and Tiny (because they have very slow attack), but haven't seen that yet, so I can't tell exactly.
^Oh, yes, Lifestealer too! Makes sense...
pretty decent on bloodseeker, you can land your blood rite easily. I think the 0.6 second move slow is the the main point of this item, its like you maim every 5 seconds, just my $0.02.
what the hell are you on about, im saying pa is DIFFERENT from slark and ursa and stuff like manta/diff/sny/eos and whatever shit isnt good on her like it is on them and people wanting to theorycraft stuff shld just use those items on those herores instead
and idk wat you're talking about triple
@soultrap ya so both items give 10 dmg, which should i get, the useless echo sabre or an item that stuns thru bkb and can be built into smth later hmm
i think i can see why it might be good but i still can't think of a situation where'd i'd buy it instead of other normal items
Troll fucking warlord friends. It's a good item but terrible on heroes who get limited number of attacks effects like PA and ursa. I don't know if it's good or bad on slark, he kinda does benefit a lot from the mana regen and if you skip aquila it's not that more expensive.
I don't know if I will ever build it honestly . If I want more attacks I'll buy a hyper stone instead and upgrade into a moon shart later .
Don't think Sven can use it since he runs out of item slots too fast . If it was upgradable into something else could be really great on Sven .
Maybe allow two Sabres to be combined for a triple hit and 1.2 second slow . I would build the shit out of that .
Nice, Nami in low priority like he deserves.
On topic,
Echo sabre is definitely a str melee hero item, doesn't suck entirely on agi carries, its just that there are btr items.
the item just costs too much imo even on str carries, why would u get this 2.6k~ thing over a blink on a tiny or armlet on ck
maybe naix since drums is horrible now
Who gives a shit, I was just chilling on a support hero and I'm pretty sure my cores were dogshit, id own u on a core easily. Plus even a brain dead team would win in ur teams hero comp vs mine
after few games with echo saber i can confirm its not really good item in term of dps. just adds strength and gimmicky double attack (not really double, u can attack once, and then attack on other units , the 2nd attack will launch quick. in a sense its like overpowered charge in ursa.
first 2 hit will apply 0.6 sec 100% MS and AS slow.
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It does no damage.
It's not 'cheap' as many people insist it is, you could get a basher for its price.
The double attack is counted in her blink strike, meaning instead of hitting 4 attacks in 1.5 seconds, u hit 4 times in like 1.3 seconds, amazing difference.
The cooldown on echo saber is the same as her blink strike, so basically you buy the item for a slightly faster blink strike everytime :)
all the morons theorycrafting this on her without even using their tiny fucking brains fuck you fuck you FUCKING PA PICKERS IN MY 5K GAMES RUSHING THIS BULLSHIT
BUT ITS GOOD MANA REGEN
ay fuck you get an aquila or go bfury