General Discussionwhat's up with weaver?

weaver op need nerf

Are u kidding linkens has a great buildup

you're joking right? perseverance is easy enough to build but +10 dmg? You get better stats out of an aquila and ult orbs suck to buy.

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/194713313/matches?hero=weaver he is meant to be a slippery hero to kill. Linkens stops orchids so why would you not pick it up. most of the time you need gem to counter him, not just dust because he can easily ult it off and run away. Sentries are also good but he get 500ms so he can also escape the sentry or once more ult back away from them.

Get your linkens,deso. later on decide what you need. Heart, BKB if you are the focus, or if you are able to be out of the enemies attention get damage items and quickly kill the supports and other heros in 2 hits

If i play weaver, ill go with aquila>threads>magic wand>linkens>heart or bkb depends on the situation..if both are not needed ill focus on damage and attack speed..
Linkens is very good for weaver, because enemy will have a hard time to stop u, if enemy manage to stop u, u are most likely dead because weaver have low hp..also linkens give u 150% mana regen(if im not mistaken) so u can spam shukuchi many times..
Sory bad english, opinion not from a good player only xD

its really good for laning phase and staying in one lane pressuring towers

obviously u get aquila regardless

I prefer first build, and sometimes you can go bkb instead of linken. Also SaY is good item if you don't need truestrike/magical immunity but need 'something'. Also don't forget about wand - top item for weaver, stats+chance to juke.

Go aquila medallion pt desolator bkb in that order
Max invs max ms shit
Get 1 vale point in geminate
Max swarm
Abuse swarm to controll lane and scout vs potential ganks
And abuse the negative armor to watch the enemys melt

Medallion+aquila will give you enought mana to spamm everything.

My games usually ends after this or i Simply got the avantgarde to build whatever.
Also i mostly play solo offlane mostly v tri.

Geminate scales better for late game compared swarms early power especially vs support.

Good Luck.

(Almost forgot you get away with boots Thx to ms invis unless you do it in a stupid manor^^ )

dust and sentries wont help tho. Unless you have counterpicked him weaver will be untoppable no matter what. I can say that he destroys invo in mid, fucks up almost any duo safe lane, havent played him on safelane tho. and Void and Zeus fuck him in the ass hard.

I played weaver a lot, here are my thoughts from 3.5k thrash thrench.

Lane: I really dislike playing as weaver in safe lane. The main reason is that hard carries like Spectre, Sven, Juggernaut just bring much more on the table across all stages of the game. Additionally his elusive powers are not used with full potential there. Weaver doesn't need babysit at all and he gains much more from his AoE armor reductoion/damage on offlane which can truly wreck poor life of supports, especially dazzle.

Unless u are playing vs Trilane with double stun, you are preety unkillable on the offlane. Shadow shaman and Lion are strongest enemies.

Boots: Phase, Treads. Doesn't matter that much. I was used to make treads, tried Phase, +48 from geminate attack is quite surprisingly strong. Weaver doesn't benefit that much from attack speed as he rather nukes with geminate attack, shukuchi and again and again.

First item: Aquila.
Second:
- Super Heavy pressure -> Drums to Linken
- Eazy farm: Desolator for more kill oriented game. Maelstorm vs Brood, NP, push or jungle.
- U know its coming: If Enemy team setup is fucking time bomb like skywrath, orchid clinkz, Legion Commander then unfortunately first item should be linken.

Third:
- Most of the time after your damage item is ready Linken is a must because its 5 manning phase of the game.
- If you needed to make linken earlier, make a deso unless u need MKB.

6 Sloth!

BoT, Deso, Linken, MKB, Deadalus, Heart.

Sometimes when Linken is enough one damage item or Heart needs to be traded for BKB.
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I know linken's is good, it's core, I'm just saying it sucks to build it as first item. the sustain is good but stat wise, dmg wise it's slow. Hard to farm with it unless you're diving to rack up kills which of course is very possible.