its usually the other way around. i've always seen storm reking tinker. hmm.
but u must have dem orchid asap.
if he's nuking you down in lane, he's going laser+rocket build i suppose
if you're low on regen, bottlecrow and tell team to secure runes
later in game, he will have to gank to get his farm (because he can't farm fast without march) which is the moment where you can just go and kill him
also if you're lacking farm, go and stack your own jungle and then clear it with remnants and little jumps for overload charges, it's pretty fast
when i'm looking at your last game.. (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1548487358)
I hope your item build is some kind of joke
your farm is horrendously low. you should have this amount of cs in 10 mins, maybe you were running around trying to kill someone?
also this is definitely a bkb game
- your farm is a joke
- laning against tinker full nuke is easy, just stay always full hp and play safe, you counter him hard however after laning phase
Storm has no chance in lane vs Tinker. I often pick Tinker to counter Storm actually, coz I can rape him so hard in lane that he will be non-factor (& in my 4-4.5k bracket people don't stack jungle to recover). Even when Storm gets Orchid, he can't kill u if u just stand in 2 marches, he will rather die than u. In lane he has nearly 0 kill potential against u. Only problem is when he gets Orchid+Bloodstone, coz he will be able to tank up the marches & after he gets BKB, ur fucked. Late game Storm>Tinker (if there are no allies to disable him during BKB), but in early-mid game he is not a threat to Tinker tbh. In late game at some point u need to buy BKB/Linken on Tinker vs Storm. When I go against Storm I go 2-2-4-1 build (get 2 point in laser & rockets early on). U have strong nuking power early on, so u can zone him out, but u can still farm woods with March. I believe that's also the best build for Tinker in nearly any match up, coz with standard Q-E-E-W-E-R-E u have 0 kill potential in lane & with Q-W-Q-W-E-E-E u still farm v. well & have huge kill potential.
How to lane against Tinker ? Stack jungle, go 4-0-4-1 build. Bottle crow constantly & keep the distance, so he can't laser/rightclick u easily. Let him push & last hit under tower. If he went 4-4-0-0 build & he won't get kill in lane he lost his lane basicly. Don't be afraid to leave mid if he is too strong & jungle.
I can't agree with Imprecis, you still have Remnant to farm so you don't care about being laster blinded. You can't die to tinker unless you start fighting him at like 70% hp while he still has nukes. If he is spamming March you can aggro pull creeps and use remnant and kill him at level 6 if he goes below his mid hg.
He's a smurf that thinks he belongs in 5K for sure, that GPM, and those K/D's are pretty bad for VHS, but what do i know, i'm a 3.2 scrub.
t his forum is so pointless. yall are ugly creatures. hope you all die. breathing my fcking precious air. go die. alrdy
Mokujin - Tinker can zone out Storm, so Storm can't place remnants. It's similar to QoP vs Storm (if u go for remnant u will eat Shadow Strike + righclicks, resulting in 50% lost hp). You should never go March build vs Storm, coz u will give him nearly free farm. 2 in laser, 2 in rockets then max march. If Storm goes for remnant u will laser him + 2-3 righclicks & he will lose 30-40% of hp. Tinker has superior range & rapes Storm in lane.
What I am saying is that you aggro pull before you go for remnant, so you are staying outside of their harass range most of the time and if the equillibrium is equal they will have to chose between getting last hits or harassing you if you are playing properly/
it's not like you walk 300 units to get to enemy creeps to place your Remnant and then walk back giving your opponent 3-4 seconds to fuck you up :P
^haven't seen anyone going for that kinda build :))) mostly it's 2-2-2 and you don't stay like a retard in marches, you'll be waiting for creeps to come to your tower, then you clear them and go to woods.
Storm has no chance in lane vs Tinker. I often pick Tinker to counter Storm actually, coz I can rape him so hard in lane that he will be non-factor (& in my 4-4.5k bracket people don't stack jungle to recover). Even when Storm gets Orchid, he can't kill u if u just stand in 2 marches, he will rather die than u. In lane he has nearly 0 kill potential against u. Only problem is when he gets Orchid+Bloodstone, coz he will be able to tank up the marches & after he gets BKB, ur fucked. Late game Storm>Tinker (if there are no allies to disable him during BKB), but in early-mid game he is not a threat to Tinker tbh. In late game at some point u need to buy BKB/Linken on Tinker vs Storm. When I go against Storm I go 2-2-4-1 build (get 2 point in laser & rockets early on). U have strong nuking power early on, so u can zone him out, but u can still farm woods with March. I believe that's also the best build for Tinker in nearly any match up, coz with standard Q-E-E-W-E-R-E u have 0 kill potential in lane & with Q-W-Q-W-E-E-E u still farm v. well & have huge kill potential.
How to lane against Tinker ? Stack jungle, go 4-0-4-1 build. Bottle crow constantly & keep the distance, so he can't laser/rightclick u easily. Let him push & last hit under tower. If he went 4-4-0-0 build & he won't get kill in lane he lost his lane basicly. Don't be afraid to leave mid if he is too strong & jungle.
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lol laser is not instant, it has small delay, you can easily dodge that with your ult and most of the time you just need like 3 zip zaps and he's dead after you've used remnant and vortex, but you need full mana for that, you can also use bottle while you're in ult form, so it's not that hard even if you need like 5 zip zaps.
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I played storm and got rekt in lane against a Tinker(with some help from mirana and bounty hunter), he just nukes you down and I can only buy so much regen and bottle charge. If i'm at 50 percent or lower I'm in the danger zone of getting bursted.
How do you deal with it? do you just deal with it? get gud? I usually have issues getting nuked down in lane (zeus, kunkka) I noticed pro matches teams usually run storm safelane when there's a tinker on the opposite side