General Discussionicefrog couldnt handle me quitting

So in two-ish weeks? Nice, finally~

Sniper
Shrapnel max charges increased to 4

Troll gets Magic immunity in melee form.

Storm is in permanent ballform.

So Io? ^

jokes aside the patch isn't 100% bad. dota 2 doesn't deserve to pander to any other stuff and least so LOL, making cheap imitations or compromises resulting in the failure meta that was ti4 (short yet boring matches thanks to copycat mentality cancer jumping on the push meta promoted by ti4'sbigger winners to be exact). the direction to longer games isn't bad. More so it was obviously meant to be a going back to root thing aka rekindle soul (update) . Long doesn't have to mean boring
there's only one truth for life and that is a strive for excellence and quality in anything you do. all else is false truth.
there's only one true god (of arts) which is the god that made dota 1
never change from that icefrog
it is true though this patch you're generally better off farming your ass off however it's not true you can't do shit dual roaming/other stuff..that's literally a lie. everything that has ever existed in dota 2 still works, even tinker's build back when ancients were doable still works, people still go the same build and they can still wreck faces
high mmr and pro players aren't the benchmark of dota 2. you couldn't even say that for dota 1 with its relatively smaller circus (or was it smaller?). With every Loda/Dendi there were 100 more talented players or 100 more dedicated players who simply didn't choose to go pro. there's plenty of abusers of mmr, and there's barely enough resources for pro players to compete with the vastly superior numbers of non pro players resulting in unparalled raw creativity output. Granted there are lots of copycats in high AND low mmr games but dota deserve better than these anti revolutionaries spamming the same shitty arbitrary build for no damn good reason other than it being the meta except the META means you actually out META the meta otherwise it's not META anymore it's only, ,,meta. non capitalized.
IMO it's just that you have to actually follow through with your effectiveness in whatever you do, and just because farming effectiveness is rewarded the most doesn't mean the patch is outright broken for any other playstyle.
what part of OUTPLAY does anyone not understand about a competitive game? the patch can change all you want but the people are still the same, are you seriously claiming you are natively a better player with an arbitrary certain patch vs another? like..oh Dendi is born to kill so he loved the pre ti3 meta or even before those, but hate post ti4 metas?
that's literally bs, and if it's true then sucks to be someone like Dendi, believing you are born to be awesome is literally egotistical at its best. I never hated a patch

if all we get is more mmr/meta abuser/abusing then sooner or later it's gonna be rare to see people who actually love this game and care enough to create. and then what does it even matter what the patch looks like?

it's up to icefrog right now to decide not to encourage such abusing. you have that power in you to do it, no amount of shitty people/mentality/circlejerk can beat the god that created dota. Iｂｅｌｉｅｖｅ．

tldr: there's a million way to beat a ti5 champion and the best way is your own way. dota deserve no less than that diversity. otherwise keep going downhill

Really don't wanna sound rude or anything, but how can you be in @ Normal Skill after 1k games of Shadow Fiend?

wont change anything anyway. since dota 2 icefrog went full garbage, everytime he just overbuff heroes and overnerf others so we always have 3-4 broken heroes every patch.

^spoken like a true veteran

^like I said and many others unanimously., mmr=lmfao

i feel that some of the reason why there are 'broken heroes' every patch is that there is so much more analysis of dota 2 than there was back in the day. the strong heroes per patch get identified much faster, along with people discovering/popularising new/better ways to play the hero/patch (blink tinker, ti4 deathball). whereas in wc3 dota people didn't care as much because there was no MMR, and there was not much of a pro scene to copy from

I never complained about op heroes , there is always overbuffed heroes , i never complained about jugger/tinker/void/razor/viper but really this patch annoyed me , the turtle of sniper with his new sharpnel , he still doesnt annoy me much , the manmode of troll and axe doesnt annoy me , its just that i hate this patch because whatever u do early game , u can rape the enemy, but just because u did a mistake u get punished heavly , man its really depressing that u were way ahead and just because they have better late game lineup and good turtling lineup u lose , just because u sacrificed 3 of ur heroes to get t3 which is supposed to be a good or even trade , u gave away ur lead , man this is annoying , i dont want to play strong late game heroes to win every game , i dont deserve a wiN when my team get trashed every lane and lost all t2 towers just because we have a es sniper who can handle the hg and the sniper who had 0 10 now have 5 11 and the same networth as the top farmed enemy carry , thats not fair in anyway , i never hated a patch , i always loved dota and believed in icefrog ,u dont know how much i appreciate him, but man this comeback mechanic , it removed all the fun of being ahead , AND REMOVED ALL THE FUN OF COMMINGBACK FROM A LOST GAME, remember the days when people actually made a post cuz they came back from 15k gold disadvantage? Not any more cuz its easy and we r used to it... a big part of dota died because of it , for the first time i wish icefrog never did this , maybe it came from his disapointment from ti4 meta and went full rage mode , i know he know what must be done , and i trust him on making everything fine ,like he always did., dota 2 players who never played d1 ,will never know what we feel about icefrog .

^aka less people better community more people somehow worse community ((but seriously you expected rainbows?))

^ez katka yeah the part about "died", wodota marked the death of dota 1, which is about early 2011. wodota's void of existence and shady copycats and people's generally zero-fucks given attitude towards good plays can be easily exemplified in the popularity of nigma's shitty digest..granted there were funny videos back then in dota 1 as is in dota 2 but let's not forget what these nigma videos also do: contributing to fastfood metas such as refresher aghs razor

then there's the balancing act from guys such as slahser who was a dota 1 pro. making these videos constantly albeit getting memed and reported, promoting unorthodox builds in a world of copycats

back then good plays were for whatever reasons something people admire and be serious about, in dota 2 there are rarely good plays and rarely people talk about them, especially individual good plays,

what's fun about 5 people facerolling the other 5, or worse 4 to 1 player? that's what make up most of the dota 2 pro scene and indeed dota 2 itself

there's literally near zero emphasis on promoting and encouraging good play from an individual and rewarding that through mechanics etc..especially in cases where you are against great odds 1v many..it's become more a strategic game less so a fighting game in the sense that you actually have a good and fair fight

take what I say with a grain of salt though I never played a single game in the CIS region I know they like bloodbath non stop teamclash.