thats not what i said, thank you for strawmanning my argument prick. i said a guy with more experience than either of us 3 told you otherwise and yet you still choose to be ignorant about it. thats the height of stupidity and ignorance.
Other ppl on your team can get drums for you. Nobody can get your MoM for you. So maybe sometimes another person is grabbing drums?
For those who care, if any are here, Swiftending also doesn't really play Sven in ranked. He's played him 2x total in ranked, and only 2x in the last 9 months or so, won one lost one, got both Drums and MoM in the loss, can't tell in the win. Not saying this impacts his skill or anything, just giving info =)
done talking to this trash because you are mad Wink? :)
yeah fair enough artemis, the only point i was making was that someone with more experience than either me, wink or sampson with sven was saying otherwise, but they tried to turn it into something else.
also Wink yes I have lost a lot of matches and it sucks it really does i am genuinely ashamed of how many games ive contributed a loss too, im not afraid to admit my mistakes i have made a lot of them.
but feel free to check that in patch 6.81(i use that as a reference since its the most recent one and as such the most relevant) i have won 19 out of 24 of my played games, 1 of those losses was because someone in my team abandoned right away even tho i got first blood and the score was 1 - 0 and the friends i was playing with decided it wasnt worth trying to play 4 vs 5 just for a measly win. :')
but sampson the active for MoM is better than the active for drums by a considerable margin, also sven has a skill that works similar to the drum of endurance active fyi. now yes those stats are quite nice actually that is true but considering you can tread switch for int if you REALLY need to at a critical moment(thats if you are good enough, a concept you might not be familiar with) and that its the attack speed combined with sven's ult that dishes out the most damage not the 9 str mixed with his ult. DPS son.. DPS.
"yea because MoM has NO negative effects......................it is purely just the best item all the time -_-"
there you go strawmanning my argument again, i never said it had no negative effects nor did i say it is the best item in the game, i said the active was better than drums that is all. stop pulling shit out of your ass maybe?
you are basically taking a item using half the stats you like to fuel your argument. Lets all buy Divine because it gives the highest dmg -_-..............................ooooo yea it drops on death..................but lets ignore that.....
No you deleted your comment because you realized how stupid you come off as because your argument started off as 'well the dotabuff stats says X item has a higher winrate than Y therefore X item is better'
on a hero that's farming over 10cs/min in the jungle on full hp due to the infinite sustain from lifesteal
-30% ehp
on a hero that kills 1-3 heroes that don't even get to respond in a stormbolt
-30% ehp
on a retard that runs into 5 stuns and dies
id go blink over drums in 90% of the games in this patch anyway, utility items are how sven carries, not maximizing stats or dmg output (otherwise armlet would be core)
Holy shit, the stupid in this thread. It fucking hurts
I mostly lurk, happy to just watch the interesting conversations, pick up a nugget of information here and there. You know, typical lurking.
But JESUS TITTY FUCKING CHRIST, you have disappointed me, Dotabuff. I always had the impression that the typical poster here was above the average pub scum, but the fact that anyone here would argue with a straight face that MoM before BKB is a good choice on Sven, and better than Drums.... fucking wow man. You made a lurker feel inclined to chime and and call you retarded.
thats not what i said, thank you for strawmanning my argument prick. i said a guy with more experience than either of us 3 told you otherwise and yet you still choose to be ignorant about it. thats the height of stupidity and ignorance.
Oh look, he has 2 games on that page without MoM in them, MoM must also be shitty according to your logic
again good job on strawmanning my argument, any other tactics? :)
Xboct used to say Blademail was great on Spectre and he literally won an international, does that make him right?
i didnt strawman anything, please tell me why my logic is wrong
you strawmanned my argument, if you dont understand the concept of strawmanning feel free to google it. :)
i took your exact logic and used it against you, its not strawmanning, its proving you wrong
misrepresenting my argument and refuting the misrepresented argument is called strawmanning, its what you did. :)
TC (who was ranked the highest on ember spirit on dota buff) was adamant about how you could not function playing ember spirit without arcane boots.
this is getting extremely sad. :')
here we go once these kids start losing a argument they jump to the 'DUN STRAWMAN ME BRO'
you feeling okay? :')
im done talking to this trash, he can go back to his sub 3.5k mmr games and lose 51% of his pubs
Other ppl on your team can get drums for you. Nobody can get your MoM for you. So maybe sometimes another person is grabbing drums?
For those who care, if any are here, Swiftending also doesn't really play Sven in ranked. He's played him 2x total in ranked, and only 2x in the last 9 months or so, won one lost one, got both Drums and MoM in the loss, can't tell in the win. Not saying this impacts his skill or anything, just giving info =)
^But nobody can get you the stats on drums
done talking to this trash because you are mad Wink? :)
yeah fair enough artemis, the only point i was making was that someone with more experience than either me, wink or sampson with sven was saying otherwise, but they tried to turn it into something else.
'Other ppl on your team can get drums for you. Nobody can get your MoM for you.'
people buy drums for the stats with the passive and active being a great bonus
also Wink yes I have lost a lot of matches and it sucks it really does i am genuinely ashamed of how many games ive contributed a loss too, im not afraid to admit my mistakes i have made a lot of them.
but feel free to check that in patch 6.81(i use that as a reference since its the most recent one and as such the most relevant) i have won 19 out of 24 of my played games, 1 of those losses was because someone in my team abandoned right away even tho i got first blood and the score was 1 - 0 and the friends i was playing with decided it wasnt worth trying to play 4 vs 5 just for a measly win. :')
@Forever Red
where exactly did he say anything? You are just grabbing stats and making your own misguided conclusions
PS nobody cares if u win matches in the 2k bracket -_-
but sampson the active for MoM is better than the active for drums by a considerable margin, also sven has a skill that works similar to the drum of endurance active fyi. now yes those stats are quite nice actually that is true but considering you can tread switch for int if you REALLY need to at a critical moment(thats if you are good enough, a concept you might not be familiar with) and that its the attack speed combined with sven's ult that dishes out the most damage not the 9 str mixed with his ult. DPS son.. DPS.
yea because MoM has NO negative effects......................it is purely just the best item all the time -_-
"PS nobody cares if u win matches in the 2k bracket -_-"
what do you mean nobody cares? Wink LITERALLY -just- pointed out my wins, ergo... he cares. lmfao.
I love how this 2k player is lecturing me on tread swapping like it is some kinda advanced mechanic....
"yea because MoM has NO negative effects......................it is purely just the best item all the time -_-"
there you go strawmanning my argument again, i never said it had no negative effects nor did i say it is the best item in the game, i said the active was better than drums that is all. stop pulling shit out of your ass maybe?
you are adding up all the positive effects of MoM and ignoring the fact that it is -30% effective health
fuck it decided to delete my comment because this is just going to go on forever, right sampson you are the god of dota 2 and know everything, kbye.
you are basically taking a item using half the stats you like to fuel your argument. Lets all buy Divine because it gives the highest dmg -_-..............................ooooo yea it drops on death..................but lets ignore that.....
@Red
No you deleted your comment because you realized how stupid you come off as because your argument started off as 'well the dotabuff stats says X item has a higher winrate than Y therefore X item is better'
glad you realized how foolish you looked
-30% ehp
on a hero with 500 ms magic immunity and 20 armor
-30% ehp
on a hero that's farming over 10cs/min in the jungle on full hp due to the infinite sustain from lifesteal
-30% ehp
on a hero that kills 1-3 heroes that don't even get to respond in a stormbolt
-30% ehp
on a retard that runs into 5 stuns and dies
id go blink over drums in 90% of the games in this patch anyway, utility items are how sven carries, not maximizing stats or dmg output (otherwise armlet would be core)
item win% never is an accurate arguement
madness is core on sven drums isnt what the hell is wrong with u
LMAO SWIFTENDING DROPS THE HAMMER
Holy shit, the stupid in this thread. It fucking hurts
I mostly lurk, happy to just watch the interesting conversations, pick up a nugget of information here and there. You know, typical lurking.
But JESUS TITTY FUCKING CHRIST, you have disappointed me, Dotabuff. I always had the impression that the typical poster here was above the average pub scum, but the fact that anyone here would argue with a straight face that MoM before BKB is a good choice on Sven, and better than Drums.... fucking wow man. You made a lurker feel inclined to chime and and call you retarded.
Stahp. Ples.
this lurker is like 3k mmr and a shitter so who gives a fuck
very high skill bracket isn't that high as you think.
it looks like anything higher than 3800mmr + is considered as very high skill bracket
fuck off geniuses. bad team is bad team. regardless of one's build