i dont think its people hating smurfs. its people hating people who make smurfs, get to level 13 using co-op bots, then getting 6.2K MMR from system abuse and then bragging about that MMR which people hate.
i recently created this account cause i wanted a fresh start perse after a shit losing streak, i didnt try to abuse the system or anything and i still got MMRs pretty much the same as my other one.
valve tries to create balanced matches and smurfs try and cheat that system. I dont care what justification the smurf player uses all they end up doing is ruining matches
@Jammin
I hate smurfs and I hate smurf players. They are what is wrong with Dota 2 MM and I think they should lock peoples accounts who are doing this kind of abuse.
not rly... just dont make a lot of them, u can try smurfing and thats ok just stick with it afterwards
i thought after like 10 games valve match smurf where they should be, cause all of my game now are in veryhigh on dotamax site and its happen after 10 games or so....
I thought only Gargamel hated smurfs.
Apperently there are more people in here that would eat them alive.
I agree with Jammin & Sampson on this...
>Smurfs dilute and unbalance the already precarious matchmaking system and it becomes increasingly hard to measure skill
>Smurfs are usually created with the mindset of exploiting or abusing certain environments to reach an unrealistic level
>Smurf account holders who reach a high tier level due to the additional ease possible tend to have their ego run away with them forgetting that it is with relative ease they reached that level
There are some semi legitamte reason however...
>You want to practice a new hero or learn to play a hero without it effecting your main account
>You have played a lot of games and are now at a much better level from where you started but feel the need to remake your account due bad starting stats and increased difficulty advancing on winrate (e.g. my account is 1 win = 00.01% so to get 51% winrate I would need to win about 46 games with no loss).
i'm really really bad at dota and i'm used to map hack alots in dota 1.... so it's kinda hold me back in dota and when my friend told me about dota 2 and it's dont have map hack (o.O) its like gold mine for me, so im start to play dota 2 and in first 500 games i'm just keep on improving. So like what you said "You have played a lot of games and are now at a much better level from where you started but feel the need to remake your account due bad starting stats and increased difficulty advancing on winrate" im smurfing :D
p/s: bad english,bear with me
I created an alternative account which I rarely use, simply to see if I could get into a higher level of play without my bad match history dragging me down (being bad at dota for around half a year really hurts your stats etc). I felt making a new account would more accurately reflect the ability I have now, rather than having the long and awful match history that I have factored in. Obviously if I had a choice I wouldn't ruin a bunch of new peoples games, my very first online game was against a smurf invoker and I had no idea of the controls ast that point.
I hope that once I've played a few more games on my alt then anti smurf kicks in, because I don't want to ruin new peoples games, but at the same time have a more accurate representation of my current skill. If it turns out I'm at the same mmr on an alt as I am on my main, then I'll accept I'm shit
so basically you want to cheat the system and hide your losses you had.......stats become meaningless when you toss out data that you do not like.
@Mr. Knightside
you will 9 out of 10 always have a higher STARTING MM when you make a smurf that is just how their system works. You will go back to your true MM after playing more but you need to stop being delusional about your skill level.
@Sampson
i'm still lose and got stomp like mad in smurf but in better way cause my main purpose when create smurf is to play with better people, in my old account i'm usually outplay mid and still lose ( you may dont believe it but it's true) and it's kinda boring to me. I'm random alots in old account to so it's affect my skill alots :) hope you understand.
I'm not being delusional, as I said I want it to be more realistic of how I am now. I never said I expected it to be higher or lower.
If you look at many people on the forum and their first games, you'll see many people actually knew what to do and understood how the game works right from the start, whereas I had a period of several months knowing absolutely nothíng. It took me about 3 months to figure out how to ping he minimap. I was thrown completely into the deep end in dota and I think my stats reflect that. If I use a smurf account, then it's true I'll get a higher starting mmr, but that in turn means I'll be against, and with, better players. Then obviously what you says holds true and if I'm bad with higher level players I'll move down. I'm not looking for an excuse to say "it's not my fault I'm in low mmr", but according to my trends graph I'm doing a lot better than I was a year ago, and I wanted to see how that was put into practice.
Please don't assume I'm doing it to prove the system wrong or anything, but if you look at my first (chronologically) several pages, you'll see why I want to start fresh, because I'm clearly not as bad as I was a year ago
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This is my trend graph for my lifetime games, as you can see pretty much the first half of it is going way down, because I had next to no understanding of anything related to dota. Literally all I want from creating a new account is the first part of that graph to go away, because it doesn't reflect how I play now
@Jammin
I think co-op bot matches don't give battle points so you can't reach lvl13 that way.
Or am i wrong?
@Some Noob
'winning your lane' is the catch phrase of the low tier noob. High level players understand how to take advantage of having a advantage in a lane to winning a game. If you cant you are in the bracket you belong.
@Mr. Knightside
you are delusional though, you have 0 understanding on how the system works and you make assumptions that your starting matches hold back any ladder progression.
I play in the bracket where the smurf detection sends all these delusional kids daily and it is the same thing over and over again.
@sampson well, I clearly don't have a very good understanding of the system, but does that mean I shouldn't try to see if there is a discrepancy if I play a few hundred games on a new account? I'm not trying to say you're wrong and that I'm some 4.5K player
@Sampson : i guess you're right that i'm bad when i can't take advantage, but hey i'm improving :D
My issue is that people exploiting the system(and yes I view it as exploiting the system because everyone knows how the smurf detection works and they exploit it to get into higher MM matches) end up ruining my games because they get put into a match that is well above their level. For example I dont expect all 2k MM player to know a single pull will end up pushing the creep wave BUT I do expect all 4k+ player to know it.
I r smurf masta. But really, if valve really cared why not make dota at least a 15-20 dollar game or something with more features and faster patch released. Fuck what the League fan boys say.
Unrelated to smurf, but i agree with hael there, i rather wanted dota2 to be 89.99 and a bonus to unlock all skins for 1 year suscription for another 49.99€. Unfortunately Valves idea on maximising profits was a f2p model, and they were right, i already spend more than my exxagerrated examples in 3 years.
Well with low priority games being game related and not time related people cant make smurfs to avoid low prio so thats gone now. But people trying to beef up ranked rating is now a thing since they made it visible. I kind of wish they didnt have ranked and they went back to normal matchmaking with a paid league or something. They need to privatize the game to the point where 1 person only wants to have 1 account.
@ Sampson, still not bought and I have a lot of accounts. Nearly all of them with at least 400 games. There are things you will still not understand my child.
You call me a child yet you had to buy a 5k account because you wanted the attention that your mother would not give you. I am sure you buy lots of accounts since after you play them a bit you go back down to the 2k bracket :P
f all your smurfs and subscriptions, normal non-retarded person don't need 10 accounts to play
Well majority of the time I had accounts back when I was still learning heroes and played with noob friends. I also used them to dodge low priority if I got in it. Thats majority of the reasons I made this account. I got like 30% abandons on my other one haha. But I dont have to be a role model for anyone, the community is already bad and I will never get a long with pretentious retards like Sampson.
Jo Sampson why so rude, the first time i entered these forums i considered u a mature all round knowledge dota player with will to support people and bring good moods.
lets see
you call your friends noobs
you have to make alot of accounts to get out of low prio
30% abandon
and you have the balls to call me pretentious? ROFL
^^Just do what everyone does and flame him
The thing is would be perfect if everyone only had one account, so would be easier to measure skill, but that its not posible so whatever i dont hate them.
@n7k1
I show 0 respect for people who try and cheat the system and end up ruining games for people playing the game fairly. HǣL was caught buying a boosted account (first he lied and tried to deny it but was caught by DotaBuff because he forgot that when he changed his name dotabuff still registers the previous name)
Can someone take a look at my profile and tell me why ppl call me a smurf (happens frequently?)
Low games overall? I played HoN for a while before being convinced DotA 2 is better.
Anyway, I don't smurf, and I'm not a fan of smurfing to try and sneak into higher mmr brackets. So I agree with Sampson on most of this.
prob, some people think that you cant pass 3k MM without 2k games clocked into dota 2
this is the last one -.-
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Because smurfs are generally made by bad players who think abusing the system is the best way see their "true" mmr.
lol what 500 games is too few? I can only fit 1-2 games per day. Although I wish I can play Dota 2 everyday, I really can't. So if I continue 2 games per day on average, Ill be 500 games higher in about approx 9 months. And thats still smurfin wut? :O
Smurfs are probably the same people who have 5k party mmr and 3k solo mmr. And constantly write to volvo to nerf solo que. Also the source of 90% QQ threads on dotabuff.com
You didn't catch me doing anything sampson, you just think you did.
you call your friends noobs - Yes, because people playing dota for the first time are noobs. Its not an insult they are just new
you have to make alot of accounts to get out of low prio - I use to back when I was a noob myself we all were at one point
30% abandon - Yep, now you know why the winrate was so low and I made another account.
and you have the balls to call me pretentious? ROFL
Definition of pretentious-attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.
I'm not attempting to impress anyone. I'm showing you that I fucked up my first account with raging, leaving, if i got muted it was for 168 hours etc. Thats why I got a new "Main" account. I had the other smurfs to avoid low priority back when it was timed which was how long ago? I haven't been muted ever since now I still leave some games but thats usually before the game when i see there is a fight going on between teammates or they are clueless how to start. And i sometimes still play on Europe West in normal matchmaking cause i dont feel like being a tryhard and because I play at 3-5 in the morning and want to find a game quickly. Just like now its 3:00am as a make this post.
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Plain and simple, just curious