People who think win-rate is something you can control when playing mostly solo-queue, because some people play at hours that their friends don't, are bad players and stupid people. Truff.
Okay, you had a good point with the first post, but that last one just negated the other one. This could've been a thoughtful thread but now it's a complaint one. Good job.
People who think telling someone that their winrate is shit and asking them their MMR is thoughtful or helpful or positive shit is thougtful or helpful in creating a good thread are bat shit insane people.
Edit - Truff.
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lol.. don't underestimate OP. He could be 4.7k rated. I know my friend is 49% but he's 4.7k rated. His winrate only tank cuz he play with noobs. For 1000 games u should have over 52% winrate.
"So when I'm super deep in the lane and attract all five of the enemy team"
Oh, i heard this before, usually by the guy who is 1-15 and is probably diving a t2 tower
"If you're busy ricing and jungling, and you're the middle, you're eliminating pretty much any ability for the carry to farm if the opponent is smart and decides to rotate to the carry's lane, because there's no reason for them not to. "
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It's people like OP who ruin DotA's community's reputation. Although many points are valid, the "truff" thing becomes obnoxious very quickly, much like the people you are criticising.
Dotabuff forums would really be better off if it were moderated more strictly.
People who have something against the word "truff" are overly-sensitive and need to turn it down a notch. Truff.
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@Dorkly : Obviously, it's a better idea to have an escape plan if you plan to put yourself at risk. Even just hiding in the trees and TP'ing away when more than one enemy gets a couple screen-lengths away is enough, though. It's all about forcing the opponents hand and saying, "If you don't move over here, I'm not leaving." So many people rotate for no reason, rather than just turn on their man-mode and /try/ to make a push - or a play.
OP is bad, most of his points are invalid and he's just a sad lonely guy trying to get attention on db... Oh did I mention that you are bad? Truff Truff Truff Truff VERI FANNI MEGA TRUFF AXAXAXAHAHAHAXAXAXAXHAHAHA DADADA RUS RUS PUTIN VODKA OPA OPA DA DA MEDVED OPA RUS RUS DENDI DOTO DA DA DA. Truff.
People who hate on other people for no apparent reason other than they need to feel like they have a bigger dick than them slow down the progress of humanity and should be shot. Truff.
This thread is a reminder to me that most people in real life forgo their niceness on the Internet and became insanely arrogant and obnoxious. Ah well, humans suck.
Who said that some particular people were nice in their real lives in the first place? Looks like you're done. *puts on glasses* YEAAAAAAAAAAAAH
People who accuse other people of being arrogant just because those other people have an opinion and an ability to have enough self-confidence to know when they're right are haters ; haters that require that other people on the internet be "the bad guy", and "without morals", or "i don't know what but there must be SOMETHING i can use as an excuse to make everyone hate you and like me!" You just said "ah, well, humans suck" like you're not a human, like you're in a position to make a statement regarding humanity, and like you're some internet martyr that's gone through so much that a guy making observations about Dota are just the tipping point in your faith in humanity. Who's the arrogant, obnoxious one again? Truff.
Having 4000 games and still having under 50% win loss the[ILL]one. Truff
Having 2000 Games Cpt. Caveman and being at 50% win loss. Truff
Not being able to compensate for others bad game play to be an exceptional game player and carry your team on your back. Truff
I'm there dude. May want to take a day or two off like I did when I posted my rant about all pick being crummy. Things turn out better when you step away for awhile and reprioritize what's important.
Dota 2 is not important like oxygen, food water or sleep. Truff
Such perception, Cpt. Caveman. But I'm sure even if people like Dendi played with the same kind of people that I do on a regular basis that their winrate wouldn't look so pretty, either. You can be an exceptional player, have good positioning, have good movement, and make all the right decisions... but one player will never have enough impact to influence a REAL game of Dota, because Dota was designed for five people playing against five people. It's designed to make sure that one person working alone can't change the outcome of the game (if everyone knows what they're doing, and what they're doing is playing the game as it should be played). Besides - considering I've kept myself afloat through nothing else but haphazard five-stacks and solo-queue - I consider being around 10 losses down to be impressive when considering the circumstances I'm placed in from game to game.
Of course, if I pick the middle hero I can have a great impact on the early game and come out swinging hard once lane phase is over. I often try and fulfill that role. But winning middle still doesn't win you the game if your team doesn't know what they're doing. Truff.
I'll dissect this.
"People who accuse other people of being arrogant just because those other people have an opinion and an ability to have enough self-confidence to know when they're right are haters"
Unfortunately, I don't call everyone who has an opinion or self-confident arrogant. "Haters" is a term with connotations used to avoid criticism and has the weighting of swear words in logic.
"haters that require that other people on the internet be "the bad guy","
There doesn't have to be "the bad guy". However, since humans are social creatures, and you are acting antagonistically towards the general playerbase, it is likely that they will react antagonistically back towards you – thus defining yourself as "the bad guy".
"and "without morals", or "i don't know what but there must be SOMETHING i can use as an excuse to make everyone hate you and like me!""
What morals? What excuse? Why would I make everyone hate you and like me?
"You just said "ah, well, humans suck" like you're not a human,"
You can say "I don't like people who get low grades" while getting low grades. It is a valid comment.
"like you're in a position to make a statement regarding humanity,"
I am. Everyone can.
"and like you're some internet martyr that's gone through so much"
Not really, I'm 16.
"that a guy making observations about Dota are just the tipping point in your faith in humanity."
It's not the tipping point. It is merely a build-up of evidence that makes me see that in Dota, people always blame others. You are one example in many. And unfortunately, you are wrong. I don't have this problem. Accept you're gonna get bad teammates and move on.
"Who's the arrogant, obnoxious one again?"
You. You think you're better than all your teammates when statistically it is impossible for so many people to be in so many games where "they are better than their teammates".
"Truff."
What.
There isn't a quote function in this forum and you actually needed to dissect my post? My, my.. someone certainly is bored. I'll return the favor because I'm a board.
"Unfortunately, I don't call everyone who has an opinion or self-confident arrogant. "Haters" is a term with connotations used to avoid criticism and has the weighting of swear words in logic."
Unfortunately too whom? Me? Not quite, friend. I'm sure you don't call everyone who has an opinion or self-confidence arrogant - that's why your mother doesn't slap you in your mouth. "Haters" is a term with connotations to a person being upset and minimizing someone else's accomplishments so as to exemplify their own image. None of which I do here in this thread.
"There doesn't have to be "the bad guy". However, since humans are social creatures, and you are acting antagonistically towards the general playerbase, it is likely that they will react antagonistically back towards you – thus defining yourself as "the bad guy"."
I'm so glad you agree on the first part. However, since humans like to pretend they know how to behave with each other,
and I am taking a negative stance on bad players, it's only natural that bad players would feel themselves a victim if what I say is true about them - thus making me "a bad guy" community of bad players.
"What morals? What excuse? Why would I make everyone hate you and like me?"
Why... the morals that stop people from being arrogant and obnoxious! You put it like this: "This thread is a reminder to me that most people in real life forgo their niceness on the Internet and became insanely arrogant and obnoxious. Ah well, humans suck."
The excuse? The one people need to find in order to disprove what I'm saying.
As for why would you need people to hate me and like you... you said it yourself, people are social creatures. Expressing distaste or negativity towards another individual tarnishes their "image", and lowering their reputation. This puts whoever is expressing distaste in a position of superiority as their feelings are approved and justified by other people who believe what they are saying to be true.
"You can say "I don't like people who get low grades" while getting low grades. It is a valid comment."
I'm aware it's a valid comment. I was simply making a point of you saying something like that betrays that you yourself are not following the standards for approval that you yourself are making towards me.
"I am. Everyone can."
Just because everyone can, doesn't mean everyone should.
"Not really, I'm 16."
... So you're just saying you're immature? Young?
"It's not the tipping point. It is merely a build-up of evidence that makes me see that in Dota, people always blame others. You are one example in many. And unfortunately, you are wrong. I don't have this problem. Accept you're gonna get bad teammates and move on."
A build-up of evidence... this would be personal observation, I assume. Leading you to perceive that people who play Dota always blame others. A blanket statement if there ever was one. Unfortunately, you use the word unfortunately again, and I'm not sure who it is unfortunate too. Again, not me. Because your attempt at proving me wrong has failed miserably. For I've already accepted I'm going to get bad teammates. Now, if only those bad teammates could accept that they're bad and I hate them for it.
"You. You think you're better than all your teammates when statistically it is impossible for so many people to be in so many games where "they are better than their teammates".
I don't think I'm better than ALL my teammates, just most of them. But I do have plenty of friends (who become teammates once we're in-game) that I consider as good as me. However, I most certainly believe I'm better than the average person in a "pub" game. As for statistics... where are you getting your numbers? Inside your own head? Did you make a couple calculations, run some code, get a print out that read, "THIS GUY IS BAD." Please. You're just becoming a liar now. There are no statistics. You're becoming a liar just so you can prove ME wrong. ME!? The so-called arrogant, obnoxious guy. You're degrading your own character in an attempt to further your case against me. Well done.
Truff.
[There isn't a quote function in this forum and you actually needed to dissect my post? My, my.. someone certainly is bored. I'll return the favor because I'm a board.]
ok
[Unfortunately too whom? Me? Not quite, friend. I'm sure you don't call everyone who has an opinion or self-confidence arrogant - that's why your mother doesn't slap you in your mouth. "Haters" is a term with connotations to a person being upset and minimizing someone else's accomplishments so as to exemplify their own image. None of which I do here in this thread. ]
Unfortunately to you because you implied something about me which isn't true.
If you're sure I don't do something why did you say I do it??? (Yeah, you used "people" but if you say you weren't referring to me when you said that I really don't know what to say.)
I didn't even bring the word "hater" into this.
[I'm so glad you agree on the first part. However, since humans like to pretend they know how to behave with each other,
and I am taking a negative stance on bad players, it's only natural that bad players would feel themselves a victim if what I say is true about them - thus making me "a bad guy" community of bad players.]
Influencing the team's mood negatively which lessens cooperation is more detrimental than poor skill – this is pretty obvious from experience. If I see someone do something bad at most I type "…" and "Don't do that" and if they respond argumentatively I just stop.
You are correct regarding people's defensive stance even if they are in the wrong. But if you want to win, you deal with it.
[Why... the morals that stop people from being arrogant and obnoxious! You put it like this: "This thread is a reminder to me that most people in real life forgo their niceness on the Internet and became insanely arrogant and obnoxious. Ah well, humans suck."]
Well, that was more musing than actually responding to this thread. Probably not appropriate, but it's not like this is a debate where judges are going to give us scores.
[The excuse? The one people need to find in order to disprove what I'm saying.]
A lot of what you say is right, there's just no point complaining about it and thinking you deserve good teammates. If you don't like bad teammates either get 4 friends or play a game where you rely on your own skill more.
[As for why would you need people to hate me and like you... you said it yourself, people are social creatures. Expressing distaste or negativity towards another individual tarnishes their "image" and lowering their reputation, and then puts them in a position of superiority as their feelings are approved and justified by other people who believe what is being said to be true.]
Well, then I'll say it. I don't need people to hate you and like me.
[I'm aware it's a valid comment. I was simply making a point of you saying something like that betrays that you yourself are not following the standards for approval that you yourself are making towards me.]
Again, irrelevant musing. And it was more of a general "humans", anyway. "Morphling players suck" does not mean if a Morphling player played really well and carried me I would still think that individual Morphling player sucked.
[Just because everyone can, doesn't mean everyone should.]
Maybe to you. What should be done is subjective, and certainly I'm not getting arrested for it.
[... So you're just saying you're immature? Young?]
Just not a self-identified Internet martyr.
[A build-up of evidence... this would be personal observation, I assume. Leading you to perceive that people who play Dota always blame others. A blanket statement if there ever was one. Unfortunately, you use the word unfortunately again, and I'm not sure who it is unfortunate too. Again, not me. Because your attempt at proving me wrong has failed miserably. For I've already accepted I'm going to get bad teammates. Now, if only those bad teammates could accept that they're bad and I hate them for it.]
Well, most people are like that. Actively hating most people isn't very productive.
[I don't think I'm better than ALL my teammates, just most of them. But I do have plenty of friends (who become teammates once we're in-game) that I consider as good as me. However, I most certainly believe I'm better than the average person in a "pub" game. As for statistics... where are you getting your numbers? Inside your own head? Did you make a couple calculations, run some code, get a print out that read, "THIS GUY IS BAD." Please. You're just becoming a liar now. There are no statistics. You're becoming a liar just so you can prove ME wrong. ME!? The so-called arrogant, obnoxious guy. You're degrading your own character in an attempt to further your case against me. Well done.]
I don't think I'm better than most people I matchmake with. I think I'm better than half and worse than half, and if it just happens that my team has the worse half I try my best but if lose I just move on. Valve isn't trying to screw you over. And I don't think your skill is necessarily bad, just your attitude.
[Truff.]
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"People who think win-rate is something you can control when playing mostly solo-queue, because some people play at hours that their friends don't, are bad players and stupid people."
You are just shit, if you can't get past 50% winrate solo you deserve getting dumpster tier players on your team. I play mainly solo and my winrate is increasing slowly... same goes with my MMR. Closing to 5,5k which you can probably dream about. GG GET GOOD.
People who think they're good because they're lucky enough to get people who don't throw the game for no reason, and pull themselves out of trench Dota, are arrogant and hardly worth being upset over when they hate on people. Truff.
It's a place where the players are bad, and even if you're good, it's still difficult to win anymore because the level of skill around you has brought you down. The only way to get out of it is to find a strong five stack. Otherwise, getting to the point where MM matches you with players who aren't following a naive or narrow play-style and don't cause unnecessary problems to arise will take the devil's luck.
You can't be serious? Right?
Everyone gets people who throw games, everyone gets insane losing streaks, everyone gets retarded faggonts on their team. Doesn't change the fact that you can still overcome those things if you play good. Stop being dumpster tier trash.
No, you can't overcome some bad teammates through pure skill. I've gone 22 and 4 in some games and still lost because of a silly throw done by someone else on the team. So, I don't know why you're so serious about having bad teammates not being a negative factor when winning or losing. You sound naive.
Ofc some games you simply can't win, but if you play well you'll still win more than you lose, what is hard to understand? Everyone has had games where they go 15-0 and still end up losing, you're not the only one.
There are reasons why some people can go to 5,5k mmr solo without any problem. It has nothing to do with luck in the long run.
Alright, let's give this a chance.
You say "bad". What does that mean? Because my execution and ability are quite good. My ability to understand hero design and implementation is quite good. My ability to draft is quite good. My ability to understand proper map movement is quite good. My ability to understand the limitations of each hero and how to circumvent those limitations, to draw out the strength of the hero in order to overcome the enemy is quite good. My ability to kill the enemy and minimize my deaths is quite good. My ability to see opportunity and capitalize on it is quite good.
Honestly, the only thing I could be accused of being bad at is getting people to take me seriously - and obviously, I have no control over that! But I will say that it seems like "getting to the top" and "making the right moves" all comes down to subjecting to people with shitty personalities, who just so happen to have put a lot more time and effort into mastering a video game than the average person.
So when you throw out little casual insults like "stay bad", "keep struggling", and "dumpster tier trash". I wonder what aspect of the game you must know about that apparently eludes me. Because when you say "keep blaming your team", it must mean that you think no one ever can make a mistake in Dota 2 ; other than me. That no one is so bad that they are the reason of losing the game ; other than me. That everyone but me can carry a game to victory once in a while if they try really hard.
You make a lot of assumptions. You make a lot of simple statements about the game. You make very little sense.
Judging by those stats... the only way you could win that is if you managed to split push so hard that they couldn't stop you. But their heroes should have had no trouble locking you down and preventing you tower damage, until you get BKB. At which point Morphling should be able to deal with you.
Victory because of team incompetence is not your victory, it is simply their defeat.
bad day for them then.
give you more bro,
more throw, still win
http://dotabuff.com/matches/496664669
Interesting. More Lycan. Do you play that hero consistently so as to build repeatable and reliable habits? I do that too. I've been winning a lot more with Phoenix, as I take middle, and win it 75% of the time. Of course, when a Terrorblade does everything wrong, and we get out carried, because I built a utility build, instead of a silly pub-stop build that relies on the enemy being incompetent, the throw is hard, and we lose.
I realize a team must work as a unit, unite, and look out for each other. I'm sorry that others don't. REALLY. SORRY. ALL. THE. TIME.
"Victory because of team incompetence is not your victory, it is simply their defeat."
Now to adapt a cheesy but more apropriate quote,
"Ask any player, any real player. It doesn't matter if you win because the others were overall incompetent or because they made just one single fatal mistake; winning's winning." - truff.
Uhhuh. Sounds liek a real go-getter. Who said that? You? Winning is winning, but a victory is something that feels good. A bad team = a bad game = a bad feeling. If you get a good feeling because you won because the enemy team didn't play the game the way it's supposed to be played, you're just kidding yourself, because you like to reward yourself for easy things. Truff.
I dont go for easy things, the biggest challenge more then winning by yourself is maneuvering the others into playing the way you want, thus leading your foes to make mistakes that can be exploited for your team's gain, thus making victory all the sweeter. Victory is savoured most when you know that you won not by applying blunt force but by leading your oponnent into making the mistakes that will cost him the game. -Truff .
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People who don't know how to make their intentions known are ridiculous and can never be worked with in a competitive environment. Truff.
People who can't support worth a damn! You know what I mean when I say that a person can't support. They just can't. They don't do it in any way what-so-ever and they're just making the game so much more difficult by ignoring the things that any good support would be doing right at this moment and you know that because you yourself are a good support. If you're not warding, if you're not supporting, if you're not dying in situations that arise to save your carry, if you're not helping the carry keep lane control, if you're not ganking lanes if the opportunity arises, if you're not upgrading courier at minute 3, if you're not buying sentries and dust to counter invisible enemies, and if you complain for having to do any of the above actions. Truff.
People who talk like they know what they're saying, and doing, and are correct in their observation of the game - but then use their information to belittle or degrade another teammate - is almost always just an attempt to shift any blame for their own shortcomings. And most of the time people who sound and act like know-it-alls consider Purge a God among Men and follow along with "the formula" dictated by what little they can understand in a professional, competitive game. Know-it-all know-nothings who don't know how to actually perform or deliver results. Truff.
People who think being able to shout out the most buzz-words to disprove what you're saying so as to look more impressive to the rest of the team like being an alpha on a video game is somehow more impressive than being able to discuss the game with another person with any amount of civility is worth any amount of respect or trust. Truff.
People that think discussing the game subjectively and objectively is ALWAYS a personal attack and they have to defend their honor to the very end! Just lighten up and take the criticism, and even throw your own back at me, or just laugh it off, or call me a dick once and drop it, and then just call me a dick every time I criticize you. But can you not derail the game entirely because of your hubris? Truff.
People who mark their profile as private are bad. Truff.
People who report and mute other people for no other reason than they're criticized in a monotone if something wrong happened. Truff.
People who have to announce that they're muting someone are faggots. Truff.
People who talk shit to muted people and then don't allow them a word back are cowards. Truff.
People who mute another person and then repeatedly say that they're so extremely happy for having muted them are douchebags. Truff.
People who don't even know how to lane after playing the game 1,000+ hours are frightening. No, you can't solo offlane Kunkka. No, Weaver/Nyx offlane ISN'T new meta. No, you can't have a jungle, we don't have a carry or an offlaner! Truff.
People who don't know the difference between a funny "haha" death and a funny "that's not right" death. Truff.
People who don't know how to draft are ignoring the most basic aspect of playing Dota. Truff.
People who play the worst and talk shit at the end of the game are bad mannered and deserve nothing but scorn. Truff.
People who play a carry, get fat, and then continue to play like it's 10 minutes in and they can't kill anything are the bane of all good supports. Truff.
People who are Peruvian. Oh my god. People who are Peruvian. Truff.
People who pick a middle hero after there's already a middle hero are, just.. fuck you. Fuck you. We all know exactly the kind of person you are : the sucky kind. Truff.
People who attack an illusion like it's real when there's two other of the same hero on the mini-map are just lazy players. Lazy, lazy, lazy players who don't think before they act. Truff.
People who play in the morning are so much worse than those who play at night. So much more worse. Truff.
People who steal farm from carries - after the carry hasn't been supported well at all and any scrap of farm that can be gotten is like water in the desert to them - are scumbags. Pure scumbags. Truff.
People who win middle are your best friend or your worst nightmare. Truff.
If you win middle, you win the game. Truff.
Coordination isn't something that needs to be spoken. Having a reaction to every action is all that's needed to come out on top. Truff.
People who steal Captain and then first pick low-tier heroes. Hisssssssssssss. Truff.
A hero can go into any lane. It all depends on what the enemy is putting in each lane. Truff.
Any hero can fulfill any role. It all depends on what the enemy picks and how you treat each hero. Truff.
People who don't understand that "space" is a term used to describe freedom of movement really grind my gears. Creating space is a crucial aspect of play-style and putting yourself in danger to attract enemy attention is both beneficial and necessary to the team. So when I'm super deep in the lane and attract all five of the enemy team, if you'd leave the jungle and push that tier 1 instead of talking shit to me, that'd be great. Truff.
People who do nothing but rice when they're the middle hero are ignoring their role. It's the middle player's job to come out of lane phase swinging and making an impact, disrupting enemy farm, disrupting enemy ability to just stay in their lanes, which gives space for the carry to farm. If you're busy ricing and jungling, and you're the middle, you're eliminating pretty much any ability for the carry to farm if the opponent is smart and decides to rotate to the carry's lane, because there's no reason for them not to. Truff.
People don't know how to tri-lane 99% of the time. No, you don't need both supports in the jungle to pull the creeps. You're just losing the total lane control you should be having and letting their off-lane farm and harass the carry. Truff.
People who don't speak English and queue on American servers, play like crap, and then blame the only English speaking guy (usually me) for losing are dickless and spineless. Truff.
People who don't use their abilities when a fight breaks out. They just sit on their mana, never let anything go on CD. Even better if you start a fight and die, and notice that your teammates by you have their spells, any of which could have saved you/killed the enemy, off coo-ldown. Then when you mention it they argue that, "it wouldn't have changed anything" or "they're saving it for a better opportunity." Stop breaking my balls. Cast your spells. Truff.
People who can't tell the difference between a bad player and a good player who just can't do anything anymore (whether it's because of the other team feeding or completely out-drafting or the middle on the other team winning the game for his team) are the people who will never be good at the game, no matter how "skilled" they become at it. A bad player is someone who is unskilled, doesn't work well with others, and generally makes bad decisions and actions. Truff.
People who are good people, but bad players. And when you treat them like a bad player, they think it's like being treated like a bad person, and get really butt-hurt. Can you just suck it up, admit you're probably doing it wrong, and just get better? The game will be infinitely better once you do. Truff.
People who are middle and don't gank the lanes... ever. You're doing it wrong. Truff.
People who report people that aren't being personal, aren't saying anything rude, and aren't doing anything wrong ; then turn around and start calling them "faggot" or "scrub". Hypocrites. Truff.
People who throw the game. DON'T. PLEASE. MY WINRATE. WHY!? Truff.
People who buy wards and don't place them to see runes. Cool. I didn't want to win middle, anyways! Not Truff, I did.
People who don't let your team snowball because they're never ready to fight or push a lane. The opportunity is there, but they just don't take it. Don't let it go late game if you don't have to let it go to late game. Truff.
People who think draft isn't important. This isn't LoL. The game is designed to operate if you choose the proper heroes to deal with all aspects of the game. Truff.
People who don't understand how predictable they can become when following a general, efficient play-style. This is why bad players can be difficult to play against, because they are so unpredictable compared to a "good" player. Truff.
People who act like pub lords, but actually take themselves seriously. What's a pub lord? Someone who has managed to acquire enough skill to be able to compete in the average pub game and do better than most. Talking big is one thing. Talking like a "big" player is one thing. But actually considering yourself a better person than others because of your doto skills is fucking retarded. Truff.
People who become skillful and then think everyone around them can't be as skillful as them. There are A LOT of ugies out there. But don't write someone off before you even see what they can do, or what they know about the game. Slow down, hot shot. Truff.