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General DiscussionA few random questions about the patch

A few random questions about the patch in General Discussion
Anomaluna

    Been away from Dota for a while and can't practice or check out the new changes or mechanics practically since I'm travelling. Would appreciate a brief explanation of the following:

    1. Does this mean we can't stack camps at night?

    Neutrals now sleep at night. They have zero aggro range while sleeping.

    2. What does this mean? Is it good or bad?

    Net worth Ranking Factor (how much the richest vs poorest heroes get from assist gold) changed from 0.75->1.25 to 0.7->1.3

    3. I expected this to be an eventuality, but is it too strong? Does it mean you can lifesteal from Arcane Orb hits? Is MOM viable on OD now? Is the MOM on 'x-hero' meme not so much a meme? Why wasn't the item nerfed?

    Arcane Orb is no longer a Unique Attack Modifier

    4. Are these changes with an intention to make the game look faster/more fluid akin to League of Legends to appeal to a larger, more casual gaming crowd?

    Heroes with turn rates of 0.4 are improved to 0.5
    Neutral "x" cast point reduced from 0.5 to 0.4
    And much more...

    5. What does this mean?

    Sentry wards no longer automatically appear in front of Observer Wards when buying the item.

    6. Despite the percentage-based mana and health regen boosts given by items changed to fixed values, refresher still has the old type, in-fact buffed amount now. Why is this?

    Refresher Orb mana regen increased from 250 to 300%

    7. Why is this a thing? I would have liked to see +1 forge spirit summoned moved to a level 10 talent.

    Level 10: +30 Chaos Meteor Damage OR +0.3s Tornado Duration

    8. I would have liked to see his passive regen based on number of units killed moved to Ghost Shroud and health regen amplification nerfed from 75% (which is an absurd amount) to as low as 50% instead of these changes. Thoughts?

    Ghost Shroud slow reduced from 12/20/28/36 to 6/12/18/24
    Ghost Shroud bonus magic damage taken increased from 25% to 30%

    9. I thought Nyx needed a nerf. Why was he buffed?

    Spiked Carapace damage return mechanics now work like Blademail

    10. I love playing Phoenix and feel this hero desperately needs a cooldown reduction talent rather than something like this. Thoughts?

    Level 20: +1400 Icarus Dive

    11. Explain?

    Enemy units in Smoke Screen have no vision.

    12. Does this mean we can command the mines to patrol an area now? Does it make a difference? Shouldn't it atleast be 50 MS?

    +25 Mines Movement Speed

    13. This HAS to be a typo. How do we get a talent that provides a boost equivalent to 8 levels of damage as a level 15 talent?

    Psionic Traps now deal 100/125/150 damage when fully charged (dealt over the duration of the debuff rather than instantly).
    Level 15: +200 Psionic Trap Damage

    14. According to my assumption, a hero with no agility has no attack speed. Explain?

    Tiny Agility from 9 + 0.9 to 0 + 0

    15. Also, last but not the least, has item recycling returned? Do we get a new treasure for 10 items or the old Crucible Jewel?

    死の恐怖 Haseo

      3. MoM will silence yourself :>

      one syllable anglo-saxon

        1. you can if u aggro them
        2. mega rich heroes get less gold from mega poor heroes and mea poor heroes get more gold from emga rich heroes
        3. mom silenced ods q
        14. all heroes have 100 base as
        15. afaik no

        Totentanz to The King: M ...

          1. no. that means you can only aggro them by hitting them, unlike during the day when you can aggro by just walking near them.
          2. poor heroes get more money from kills now and rich heroes get less.
          3. you can only lifesteal through physical attacks (with some exceptions), so no. even then it wouldnt be worth it most of the time. mom silences you.
          4. not really. they are just small helpful buffs. neutral buffs are mostly for chen/ench and new beastmaster.
          5. i believe when you had observer in your inventory and bought a sentry, sentry would be infront, so you would have to double-click to get to observer again. they changed it now.
          6. not sure. probably an oversight.
          7. not sure again, its just the way of the frog.
          8. this is not a question. but i think his nerfs are totally fine, even too harsh. especially with the new urn item.
          9. this is not a buff. spiked carapace used to work like this: you use laguna on him -> he would take 600 damage -> you take 600 damage instead. now it works like blademail: you use laguna on him -> it gets reflected back to you -> because you have high magic res you would take 450 damage from your own laguna -> you take 450 damage. so its neither a nerf or a buff, but because nyx generally doesnt have high armor or magic res its a nerf for the most part.
          10. i dont play phoenix.
          11. like bane nightmare. you see enough to be able to cast items on yourself.
          12. i dont know. normally in dota 100 is the lowest MS a hero can get so mines having 25 is weird for me too.
          13. its not very useful anyway. you do 200 damage in like 1 attack.
          14. no . every hero has a BAT, the time it takes for them to land one attack with literally 0 increase in their attack speed. so even if you have no agility you can hit every 1.7seconds. now he wont get any agility which means he wont get any attack speed from levelups unless he buys agility/attack speed items.
          15. no

          Anomaluna

            3. MoM will silence yourself :>

            I could be wrong but I remember not too long ago being able to attack with auto-cast spells like Enchantress's Impetus when silenced, while also toggling it on or off by right-clicking on it (but not being able to orb-walk).

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            Синячий патруль

              Mom silences u and u cant cast orbs

              Act II Enjoyer

                3. MOM silences Q so you can no longer cast it. You can lifesteal from arcane orb damage, but only using spell lifesteal (as before). You can aslo lifesteal from normal lifesteal, but it will only lfesteal from normal right-click damage (as if you did not have orb enabled), which is mediocre.
                4. Sort of. I feel like the creep buffs are mostly for Chen and such.
                5. Before: if you had obs in your inventory and bought sentries, you would have obs + sentries toggled on setries (so you would place sentries); now: you will still have obs selected.
                6. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe it's just a buff.
                7. Because Icefrog said so, and nobody cares what you would like.
                8. See 7.
                9. I'm not sure if that's a buff.
                11. Exactly what it says on the tin. It's like NS vision reduction, but your vision radius is zero while you're in the smoke screen.
                14. Heroes have a base attack speed which is increased by agility.

                Anomaluna

                  9. Yeah I seem to have misread this one. Now Nyx will take the damage from spells like Laguna Blade and Finger of Death and reflect it back rather than negating it completely. Not too bad.

                  Totentanz to The King: M ...

                    NO. THATS NOT WHAT I SAID. he still negates the damage. the only thing that has changed is the way the damage is dealt: its based on the attackers armor/magic res now rather than nyx's armor/magic res.

                    bearcat0611

                      also ta trap damage is the damage over the entire duration not the damage per tick, so it's actually like the worst nuke in the game.

                      bearcat0611

                        also I believe nyx carapace now reflects the damage type of what he's taking rather than pure.

                        Anomaluna

                          NO. THATS NOT WHAT I SAID.

                          Oh, okay. Sorry, I'm a retard.

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