General Discussionunpopular pos 4 heros

roaming tiny and roaming magnus are fun
ursa too

rip zoning support PA

WK roam is underrated tbh

Hi man!

I think the last time we saw Zeus as a pos 4 is not that long ago (maybe 1,5 months?!). As you already said his skills are not super powerful tbh and they have huge mana costs. If you are able to use them efficiently and get kills out of ot thats fine but I guess that is how it works with all heroes: If you play them effectively they will be good.
The thing is that it is really hard to play Zeus effective enough to have him transforming into the late game (he does pretty well in the middle game).

When you mention Sky I have the same feeling as you. The hero is pretty underrated. I honestly love to play the hero cuz it has a skill set enabling him to control the lane early and his silence and slow are decent gank skills (especially against mobile mid heros such as QoP).

Tiny as a roaming 4...haven't been thinking about it so far but it sounds interesting. I guess you can make it work decently. However, it is similar as with Zeus: High mana cost skills, so efficiency will be crucial. Since Tiny is a pretty slow hero you can also consider drums I guess even though they are quite expensive. Arcana is a must for sure. I like the Solar Crest pretty much and there is basically never anything bad about having an urn in your team. I guess having a wand/stick would not be as effective since you will not be spending a lot of time close to heroes so you get no charges.

Ogre's talents have been buffed lately so you might be seeing him again. However, he is still a pretty slow hero and you do not want to cast Bloodlust on yourself constantly since the mana costs are higher since a few patches. I guess the hero basically is playable but most of the teams have changed strategies and adapted to other heroes.

Something that I have been thinking about coming into play again is Bane as a Pos 4. One of the heroes not picked at TI at all but I feel like it has some pretty good skills to set up ganks (especially sleep and ult). What do you think?

Hello, pos 4 heroes are usually op heroes who can bully and kill people easily because of how broken they are. Preferably fast heroes with disables and a good ult so you are not useless late game. I see Zeus as a good bursty kind of hero with good utility and has a very strong aghs hero. So it might work, as a lvl7 Zeus is very strong. However if you fail your ganks you automatically lose.

I proposed going arcanes lace soulring and practicing the ground targeting lightning bolt for max range while skipping the aether lens, always drop arcanes before clicking soulring.and Obviously you max your second skill.

OP heroes? I guess not all pos 4 heroes are unbalanced and "broke". What makes a spirit breaker broke? 17% bash chance? Or a shadow shaman? that he has two disable and a burst? that's the same for lion e.g. I don't see your point.

am pos4 is best, with blink on board you just blink, surprise enemy, and they rune for their lives like idiots, gg ez

roam doom can be good but i dont htink people pick it in low mmr? always 3 doom or afk jungle doom

As a low MMR player I can relate to that. Lately you hardly see anyone playing Doom, however, if you do they basically always go for jungle.

I think Doom has become really strong after the slump he was in, and is more viable as a 3 than a 4 with Midas and the bonus devour gold talent which makes him farm insanely fast and stay relevant. I love playing Skywrath but I must admit the hero feels weak. Only recommend choosing him when silence is more important than stun, and even so, I think people might be levelling him wrong right now. Maxing W and E might be the way to go, but I'm not sure.

dooms sword hits hard like a giant dick

i tried playing 4 doom
twice and it felt kind of strange. I guess you devour a satyr for the purge slow?

i also play doom as offlaner quiet often, what happens in lower mmrs that someone also picks a core marks offlane and tells you to jungle. probably 1/2 the doom games i played

There is a bunge of stuff you can devour. Especially, if you want to play it as pos 4 the net of the troll or the stun from the golems are quite nice to get, I guess.

That's how it is playing in low MMR, people all play carry. This is one of the reasons why I only play supp these days. Helped me getting from 2,2k to 3,4k in 6 months. Still low, but it is a lot better.

What's broken about spirit breaker is his ability to have a global presence. Every carry player will be shitting their pants every time they show on the map. How is that not op? And shadow shaman and lion pos 4 is shit dude they're slow and squishy early game hits like a wet noodle and require daggers.

Global presence can be reached by TP and smoke as well. Just that you "shit your pants" because you cannot coordinate a defence with your team is not the heroes fault but yours.

So Ogre is a shitty Pos 4 as well? With low levels he has a short stun, no dmg on his own and is unable to boost carries dmg through bloodlust. Or Slardar? Short stun, low dmg, only gets fast if he is making himself more vulnerable.